TRUMP Thread

Bliss said:
Listen, when you have a valid argument why the influx of illegal criminals and having 2 porous borders are good things, we can then have a mature discussion. All the other stuff you're posting is rubbish and deflection. Sorry.
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Really. Where did i say its ok to leave it the way it is. I said it needs to be sealed. I said its slowed down.
You read what you wanted to read. I also asked who is a fault for all this. You conservatives totally igged that.

If they seriously wanted to seal the border they wouldve done it a loooooonnnng time ago.

So since you will not really be honest with yourselces and answer why then ill do it for you.
 
Bliss said:
Listen, when you have a valid argument why the influx of illegal criminals and having 2 porous borders are good things, we can then have a mature discussion. All the other stuff you're posting is rubbish and deflection. Sorry.
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Pfft. That argument about the counting us crap. His count is the new math you conservatives hate...you know....

1 illegal
2 illegals
3 illegals
Damn common core

Now who is at fault?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...sequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/
 
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andreboba said:
BTW people think Trump politically is a joke, just like they thought Reagan was.

But this one issue, stopping illegal immigration at the border AND in Mexico, is enough of a single issue to push him into the WH.

Also, Trump's willingness to take on China over imports and exported jobs will make him a compelling candidate in a general election.


Really, all Trump has to do is stop talking like he's crazy and say the same thing in a more subdued style and he could upset Hilary.


Trump is like Romney, a business man who promises he will go to Washington like a consultant and streamline the bureaucracy and re-engineer the economy, except his balls are bigger.


The Dems really don't have a counter argument on illegal immigration, except to ignore that it exists.

And yeah it's all about turning Hispanics into a permanent Democratic voting base. Hate to say that but that's the brass ring both parties want.

However the plan should be to clamp down permanently on illegal immigration, then pursue Hispanic votes from LEGAL Latin American immigrants already here.

I have a weird feeling about this upcoming presidential election.....:smt096:smt087
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The difference between Trump and guys like Reagan and Romney is that they actually had political experience before running for office so they knew how to play the game better than Trump. Plus Romney actually ran a pretty solid campaign. He was probably never going to win anyway but if not for that 47% comment the election would have probably been a bit closer.

Compare that to Trump who can't even seem to get out of his own way. Hell, he didn't get halfway through his first speech before his foot was already halfway down his throat. The past few weeks have seen him lose sponsor after sponsor and every public statement he gives ends up doing more harm than good. Every other candidate in the race is better on their feet and better at thinking quickly than he is. And as for taking on China and Mexico, he can't even do that with a straight face since so much of his clothing like is made overseas. A lot of the people that work in his hotels are probably here illegally, as well.

Both parties do want more Hispanic voters but if by some miracle Trump gets the nomination they can kiss that entire voting block goodbye for this election, not that it's going to matter anyway. If he ever makes it as far as the debates he's going to get massacred by the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Bush,, Paul, etc. Trump's a spoiled rich kid who's spent his entire life surrounded by yes men and he's finally getting a cold dose of reality.

My money is still on Bush v. Clinton III but that's just me.
 
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He met the press this past weekend after his speech and couldnt answer a tuff question
He is a side show. He has no real answers fir the border.

It is suspected that he has illegals ob a project hes working on now.

Since1980 said:
The difference between Trump and guys like Reagan and Romney is that they actually had political experience before running for office so they knew how to play the game better than Trump. Plus Romney actually ran a pretty solid campaign. He was probably never going to win anyway but if not for that 47% comment the election would have probably been a bit closer.

Compare that to Trump who can't even seem to get out of his own way. Hell, he didn't get halfway through his first speech before his foot was already halfway down his throat. The past few weeks have seen him lose sponsor after sponsor and every public statement he gives ends up doing more harm than good. Every other candidate in the race is better on their feet and better at thinking quickly than he is. And as for taking on China and Mexico, he can't even do that with a straight face since so much of his clothing like is made overseas. A lot of the people that work in his hotels are probably here illegally, as well.

Both parties do want more Hispanic voters but if by some miracle Trump gets the nomination they can kiss that entire voting block goodbye for this election, not that it's going to matter anyway. If he ever makes it as far as the debates he's going to get massacred by the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Bush,, Paul, etc. Trump's a spoiled rich kid who's spent his entire life surrounded by yes men and he's finally getting a cold dose of reality.

My money is still on Bush v. Clinton III but that's just me.
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Bliss said:
I know it's well-known that the richest man or second richest man on the planet is Mexican (Carlos someone)...

Here is another thing that isn't really mentioned...

A few years ago, Mexico's then President blamed ours for a spike in Mexican crime. And who was causing this spike in crime? Mexican criminals.

Criminals that Mexico complained the U.S dumped at the border. Yahoo reported their then President was upset that the US didn't prosecute and jail illegal Mexicans who commited crimes, and that we not send them back to Mexico.

Now curiously, most countries will make every effort to extradite their criminals back to their country... why wouldn't Mexico? Because why incarcerate, when the U.S can do it for you. One must question (even though Yahoo didn't), how a person just becomes a criminal from coming to a rich land that offers them sanctuary...Again. most likely they were criminals in Mexico and were dumped at our borders because they didn't want to fund and house them in their jails..

I believe Obama hustled them right back to the border once caught, merely returning the favor. (of course Yahoo News would never dare blame Mexico for providing the criminals in the first place)..
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Funny how mexico wants to rid themselves of so many of these "hard working taxpayers".
 
The Dark King said:
Ok so what's your solution just say fuck it and hope its not as bad as projected?
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Reagan already gave the solution.It didn't bring down the country. That is going to be the realistic solution to the next guy who wants to fix it. It is likely going to be either a republican that the base will be angered with or we wait until the minorities outnumber the racist in the country for the vote.
 
archangel said:
Reagan already gave the solution.It didn't bring down the country. That is going to be the realistic solution to the next guy who wants to fix it. It is likely going to be either a republican that the base will be angered with or we wait until the minorities outnumber the racist in the country for the vote.
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Wait, we are still here?
 
flaminghetero said:
Go ahead and deny all the illegal wetbacks in California.

I guess you have another Country to flee to when this one is turned into a latino Bangladesh.
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I never said illegal immigrants weren't there I just pointed out that california is not taken by them. You continue to move to other subjects after I present you with statistics.

I also want to point out for those who are reading what my concerns are and why the media calls folks racist when they talk about this. You got people like flaminghetero who use racist terms.

This is exactly how the conversation will end up in the living rooms of those who spend most of their time with people who look like them. They start off with illegal but give it some time you will get what they mean.
 
Also there are other races, ethnics and nationalities here that are illegals besides latinos and mexicans

archangel said:
I never said illegal immigrants weren't there I just pointed out that california is not taken by them. You continue to move to other subjects after I present you with statistics.

I also want to point out for those who are reading what my concerns are and why the media calls folks racist when they talk about this. You got people like flaminghetero who use racist terms.

This is exactly how the conversation will end up in the living rooms of those who spend most of their time with people who look like them. They start off with illegal but give it some time you will get what they mean.
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goodlove;97841 said:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...sequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/
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iGA's illegal farm workers didn't go back home to their countries because of a law in Georgia, they just moved to a different state. Plenty more for them to move to.
The one farmer claimed he needed illegal workers because they're skilled at picking fruit. And Americans aren't? He couldn't find an American to do that? And then he claims he pays 15 to 20 dollars an hour, tax free? Ok.

goodlove said:
Lets be 100. The american business depends on illegals as stated in the article.
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They only depend on it because they don't want to pay a decent wage, or provide health care or provide decent working conditions. They just raided a factory farm - the illegal workers were found living in shacks with no running water or electricity. These were Shacks provided by the employer who charged them. Of course no American would put up with that, that's why we have the benefits that we have because we fight for them.

Take Detroit aka Motor City.... many black families became middle class as a result of the plant and fighting for decent wages... Do you really think that if Motorcity existed today, there would be a black middle class there? Those factory jobs would have been taken by illegals and thus brought the standard of living down.
 
Bliss said:
Btw, statistics show that illegal workers don't only take jobs "that Americans refuse to do" as they and their defenders insist....

More Illegal Immigrants Snagging White-Collar Jobs
MARCH 26, 2015

.http://m.thefiscaltimes.com/all/201...ght=257&size=small&oswv=1&olcts=1436802999077


Also interesting ...

Unskilled American workers lose out to 11 million undocumented Workers
February, 2015
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...kers/unskilled-workers-lose-out-to-immigrants
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Getting tired about hearing about unskilled American workers.

What about SKILLED American workers??

Like.... electricians....plumbers...auto/diesel mechanics...carpenters...ect ect

They are getting SHIT-HAMMERED worse than the unskilled guys.
 
goodlove said:
Lets be 100. The american business depends on illegals as stated in the article.
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If mexico don't need then.......we sure as hell don't..:-D

Since this is such a good idea...why don't messico open up it's borders to several million illegals across their southern border.

Since this is such a good thing.
 
Since1980 said:
Personal insults? Really? Boy, you're just begging to be restricted again, aren't you? :smt043
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Others were banned from this forum who were more decent than he is like Kid Rasta that he used to attack. Think hard and connect the dots Why he is getting away with personal attacks .....I have an idea why that is happening. If I call anyone a wetback I will be restricted immediately, but he gets away with it..... go figure and when he gets restricted it only lasts few days...while KR and others are restricted or banned forever
 
Not just him. They were on 60 miuntes, cnn show called the "inside man" and other news shows saying americans cant and will not do the work.

You cant blame the illegals for that. Oh npr had done the story too.



Bliss said:
iGA's illegal farm workers didn't go back home to their countries because of a law in Georgia, they just moved to a different state. Plenty more for them to move to.
The one farmer claimed he needed illegal workers because they're skilled at picking fruit. And Americans aren't? He couldn't find an American to do that? And then he claims he pays 15 to 20 dollars an hour, tax free? Ok.



They only depend on it because they don't want to pay a decent wage, or provide health care or provide decent working conditions. They just raided a factory farm - the illegal workers were found living in shacks with no running water or electricity. These were Shacks provided by the employer who charged them. Of course no American would put up with that, that's why we have the benefits that we have because we fight for them.

Take Detroit aka Motor City.... many black families became middle class as a result of the plant and fighting for decent wages... Do you really think that if Motorcity existed today, there would be a black middle class there? Those factory jobs would have been taken by illegals and thus brought the standard of living down.
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