TRUMP Thread

Did you lose it in the last 4 years?

Because tens of millions of hard-working Americans effectively lost theirs when ACA kicked in, because they couldn't afford the outrageously expensive copays and deductibles.

And when they didn't pick an ACA plan, Obama sicced the IRS on them and levied a fine.

What President Trump did was remove the IRS penalty if you declined the mandatory requirement to pay for a plan.
Other than that, what changed in 4 years? We are still stuck with expensive plans.

Medicine prices shot through the roof, under ACA, so President Trump lowered the cost of medication.
Other than that, what changed in your benefiting off of medicaid?

 

I feel you there. This president has been trying his darndest to get rid of the ACA. It's funny how he calls it a disaster yet folks continued to sign up for it. Of course we still have zero details about this great plan he says is ready. I just hope the stars align to get this administration out of our hair.

 

WTF is wrong with these people?????

 

I did not lose it, but the administration had a go at it to get rid of it in 2017, but it was ruled out, so I was lucky then, but they are determined to ax it. Many low income Americans are at risk of losing benefits they gained through he ACA, if it is removed, and doing that in the middle of a pandemic is crazy.

I am not saying it is perfect, but as a saying goes, why throw the baby out with the bathwater? why not try to modify what is or is not working, and keep the rest that is?

Trump has said he has a great replacement plan, but no one seems to know what this is. Unless a clear plan is there to replace it and is as good as what I and many poorer Americans have obtained through the ACA, I don’t believe it, and it is wrong to cut off the many who would lose it, without a good clear replacement plan for all to know about.

I am not going to go back and forth on this, as you are a ride or-die Trump, and nothing will get you to see the other side of things, so let’s just agree to disagree.

 

I'm not ride-or-die on issues or policy with ANY politician. Never have been.

The ACA, while it helped the 20 million uninsured, including those with a pre-ex-con, it financially DESTROYED the mid-to-lower income families.

Some couples actually divorced to qualify for Medicaid. Millions of healthy young Americans were saddled with choosing expensive plans when all they wanted was a catastrophic plan.

Did you ever have to choose and pay for any plan? No.

Understand, the costs and co-pays are outrageous. Thousands a month in premiums, then up to $5,000-$10,000 co pays/deductibles, whereas before it was $1,000-$2000.
Who can afford that?

So tax-paying Americans don't or barely visit the doctor or get services that they need to treat conditions, while you do, and never get a bill.

You get dental? Congratulations. Free, right?
Millions of working Americans lost that, which they had under their affordable plans before ACA, because now they are so expensive.

Unless you work for a Corporation or the Government who pays or helps pay, ACA is financially devastating.

You said you are poor, which means you dont pay a dime under Medicaid, but that was the case before Obamacare, so you have been covered, no matter what.

However, you cannot remain selfish on this issue, while YOU get free services, keep a thought for those who work hard and pay huge fees, for less services.

The ACA needs to be revamped, it needs to go back to affordable private plans as before, while keeping the expanded services for the poor and those with a PEC.

 

MI ratid this child love fi lie. The difference now is they have a six to three majority in the Supreme Court and your boy doesn't have to worry reelection if he wins. And it's not like they didn't try to repeal and replace but they couldn't get the votes because they used most of their political capital with the tax cuts.

 

Let's be honest, they didn't get the votes because Trump and Co had no viable plan to replace it with.

They really need to fix this shit.

 

Sweet Jesus in heaven we agree on one thing.
Also let's be honest premiums were consistently going up anyway and Im no big fan of the ACA but at the very least you won't be without insurance for getting sick. It's the difference of 3k for premiums (which is high) or 30k out of pocket expenses.
Now we have decouple employment from Healthcare and we'll be fine and dandy.

 

Yes, this happen once every four years.

I think if they can come up with replacement for Cobra which was ridiculously expensive for those who suddenly became unemployed, perhaps a subsidy to help offset the cost of the premium until new employment and coverage is obtained.

I hope if President Trump is re-elected, he brings in some average Americans to speak on it, Congress should hold hearings, because this ACA can't continue and free coverage for all is not viable either.

President Trump has never had to face the prospect of a medical bill he can't afford, and Joe Biden has never in his life paid a medical bill and only offers "free for all", so he can get votes, knowing free is impossible for 350 millions Americans.

Just once, want politicians to listen to the people on this one.

 

Sleepy Joe every afternoon if he's President.

 

Yeah I reject that because we all saw with our own eyes when it's something "they" care about it happens lightning quick. Suddenly a trillion dollars literally appeared out of nowhere for the stock market but we tell everyday to stay sick and starve.
Secondly it would not be free it would cost you nothing at the point of use like the roads and fire department. So your taxes do go up but you end up paying less than you do for premiums. As an example I for a guy making 50k a year usual employer based insurance cost 200 to 250 a month 2400 to 3000 dollars a year. Under a Medicare for all system that person's taxes is raised 3 percent so they pay 1500 dollars a year with no co pays or premiums. It just means the billionaires and millionaires pay more for their taxes to balance the system. So unless you're ultra wealthy I don't see why you'd be against it.

 

Let's be honest, a lot of people who are voting for Joe Biden want the feeling of normalcy that comes along with and old fashioned politician. So I don't think Joe's decades of being a Washington insider hurts him in the least.

 

It would have been better than normal except the rabid, vindictive Dems with their silent coup came after Trump with a vengeance never seen before. The outsider had to be destroyed.
I'm so glad he exposed their fake virtue, we learned exactly who the Dems were/are.

We learned the Media is bought and paid for by the Dems and l thank Trump for that. Journalism is indeed dead.

You can have your normalcy, the old guy who doesn't know where he is half the time. Joe is not normal, he's incapable of leading us and will be controlled by radicals who want to destroy America. God help us if he wins.

 

Your raised income tax of $1,500 plan doesn't covers the trillions it will cost to fund free healthcare.
Other costs of living will have to be taxed unmercifully to pay for it.

Don't forget free education.
Free housing will follow.

And there is your socialism. You get a free flat, free Govt controlled education with a degree that you really can't expand on and free healthcare where you will get in line and wait months. This isnt Sweden and Australia, we are 350 + million people.
Nothing is truly 'free'.

 

I literally explained to you how it wasn't free it would be free at point of use. I also pointed out that raising taxes on all those people who got tax cuts in 2017 would help as well. You are also ignoring that overall it would be cheaper because people would get care before it becomes too costly. So instead of ignoring a pain in your stomach because you don't want to pay for the visit or possible visit you don't wait till it's a real problem and cost thousands instead of hundreds.
And again we ALWAYS find money for non people centered endeavors. Subsidies for oil we find it. Money for needless wars we find it. Money for tax cuts for the rich that cost us two trillion dollars we find it but helping the American people is always too expensive. Sorry I do not buy it.
Free college is way cheaper than subsidizing insane student loans for these over priced colleges. Also free college is for public institutions there will still be private schools so no worries.

 

Free at point of use? What is the difference? Raising taxes on those who got a tax cut in 2017. Are you serious? That's your answer?

That initial pain in the stomach was tended to before ACA.
If you had no money or insurance, it still was tended to.
That pain in the stomach under free healthcare for all starts out small, but ends up being a very costly visit. Because a barrage of testing will be done to rule everything out and if you don't think they don't do that now, trust me they do.

And can we address the astrinomical cost of healthcare being used to fund care for illegals, who deliberately take advantage of the U.S? Tighten that up, please.

 

The difference is like prepaying vs paying afterwards. If you prepay its cheaper for you when you use it. Right now I have to pay for Healthcare the only difference is the Medicare for all is cheaper.
No has ever disputed having care available the point is how much will it cost me? 200 bucks a month then 5k once I've used it or 250 dollars period. You tell me which one is cheaper.
Yes my pan is to raise taxes on people pay very little. Are you going to argue the only way we get a functioning country is to allow a handful of people make more money than they will ever use in three life times while people starve?
I doubt health-care cost for undocumented immigrants holds a candle to corporate subsidies so if you're concerned with unnecessary costs why not focus on the biggest and most identifiable ones

 

Agreed! I doubt anyone is so married to the ACA and must have it or nothing else. The problem is that trump, and GOP before him all talked of getting rid of the ACA, but always lacked in detail about a viable replacement.