Tiger Woods New $40-Million Pad in Florida

I understand that it involves more but its a part of your natural biological function JC was suggesting that something is owed to you because you go through that and we don't. And you too were talking about child support not alimony. I know I harp on this but to me this is the biggest problem with the institution of marriage.

 

Well for some people, child birth isn't such a naturally occurring biological function, it gets a bit more entailed for some of us. However, I don't think that's what JC was suggesting at all. I believe she meant child support, rather than alimony. I don't think the fact that you have children should impact alimony at all, and I don't believe it does in most cases. The basis for alimony is one spouse claiming that they have become accustomed to a standard of living that they can no longer maintain on their income alone.

 

You can't compare business partners and marital partners. If a business partnership dissolves, both partners leave with more experience, more contacts, and more money in their pocket than when they formed the partnership (if they ran the partnership right.) A spouse that sacrificed working in order to take care of his/her family doesn't leave the 'partnership' in a better position for reentering the working world. The non-working spouse actual is worse off than when he/she started if he/she was working before they got married and decide to leave to have a family. That spouse has to start over from scratch and shouldn't be left begging for crumbs until they get his/her feet back on solid ground.

If you want to run your marriage like a business partnership, I guess that would be fine too; however, you wouldn't be any better off if a divorce happened. When a business partnership dissolves, both partners split the assets and liabilities based on their percentage owned of the partnership. So, in a marriage, one person equals 50% of the partnership. Therefore, both partners would be entitled to 50% of the assets and liabilities. It would be irrelevent who brought what into the marital partnership because they were working as a team.

 

I disagree if we formed a business and your skill set was accounting which is and you were cfo and I had knowledge of mending dresses by hand you would manage the money and I would mend dresses. Let's say the electric sewer is invented and my services are no longer needed and our business starts to fail we would divide the remaining assets and go our seperate ways. You would be able to find work because you were an experieced accountant but I would have to learn a new skill set. You shouldn't have to put me through school and take care of my living expenses after the partnership is dissolved. You owe me nothing.
As far as a marriage is concerned I think everything earned after the marriage should be divided not before. Back to our dress mending business, if I had money invested in the stock market beofre our partnership that should be mine alone not ours. See my point?

 

Go back and read her last post Esp she was definitely making an arguement as to why alimony is deserved to a woman. Not mention that's the topic of this thread.

 

where am from the judge will take into consideration who is the breadwinner (amongst other facts naturally) when providing primarily custody of the kids to one of the parents. Its not always assumed that the woman will get them regardless of age...


sidenote: sorry Espy, i now feel like i stalk you :-s

 

Reread..........JC did not suggest..............Beyou86 dd.

I say based on who takes responsibility and custody. I don't think I should be paid just because I own a uterus.

And matinence/alimony and child support are two different animals.

 

Okay so to clarify Andrae, you're agreeable to a 50/50 split of everything earned and acquired during the marriage, but you think anything that either partner had prior to the marriage should not be subject to the equal division? That's your thinking even in cases where one partner contributed substantially more income and therefore paid for more of what was acquired? Just trying to ensure I understand you correctly, as this is not what I thought you had implied previously.

 

Not to worry Toughsnail, I don't think it's stalking just because people happen to comment in the same thread as I do.

You are also correct on the custody issue. I know quite a few father's who have primary custody of their children, and also some couples who split the time exactly 50/50 throughout the year.

 

It's not absolute but yeah if there has to be a 50/50 split at any point it should be after the marriage nothing before.

 

And nothing from future earnings...

 

Jc is what I was talking about that seemed as if you were making an argument for alimony. It seemed to me that you thought that because a woman recieved custody she was entitled to more than just half the assets acquired during the relationship.

 

Thanks for clarifying that for me, I appreciate it. I personally don't agree with an automatic 50/50 split period. What you get should be commensurate with what you contributed. Presuming both parties have the ability to earn an income after the split, I think it's on them to support themselves. I do understand that when one spouse hasn't been working, it does make it more difficult to reenter the workforce, but it can be done, it may just take you a while to work back up to the level you were at before you quit working to take care of the family.

 

Thank you I forgot about that part.

 

You realize most states have formulas? How many days each parent has physical custody. The income of each parent.

Since you are quite business like and anticipate the demise of your love relationship you may want to be familar with the formulas your state uses. You won't have a say if you created that child the law will expect you to pay to raise it so your child doesn't end up on the welfare doles just because you don't wanna pay.

 

Oh amen to that. I don't care if you spent 50 years married to someone, at the point you split and the marriage ends, you are not entitled to anything they earn or acquire.

 

But I don't understand where anyone came up with the idea that because you CHOOSE to leave the work force you should be entitled to anything. Its a risk you take just like every other aspect of life. If I buy a house in Florida I better get hurricane insurance (analogy for prenup for the slow people not you Esp) and if I don't no one should replace my house I'm just shit out of luck.

 

Good point Jordan. The formulas are set in stone too, there is no wiggle room.
They enter how much each parent earns, how many nights per year each parent has the children (and only overnight visits count), then it spits out how much each parent pays. In Oklahoma if the non-custodial parent doesn't have the children for at least 182 overnight visits out of the year, 50%, they get no child support from the custodial parent. Also if the formula says you must pay child support, there is no way out of it. They don't consider your bills, or other obligations either, it's calculated off of your taxable income.

 

Like I said before my kid my responsibility. If anyone deserves half its my kids and my mamma and thats it. I don't need much just some good cooked food and a warm bed and I'm the happiest guy on earth.
I just hate the sense of entitlement so many women have after a divorce its sickening. I have a friend, a young guy paying a thousand dollars a month in alimony after he and his wife split. That one thing hit me like a ton of bricks because at my age I only know couples who are getting together and starting their lives. That one situation opened my eyes to what marriage its just a business arrangement and when it ends you can get fucked hard if you don't have your business in order.

 

or start thinking about Delaware onshore financial services! If you want as far away from the US, there are other options - one thing that is true is start planning today. Unfortunately I was younger, naive and took a "cold bath". Today we all speak with reason but never underestimate the scorn of a woman.