it's a free country....but in a recession ppl will raise an eyebrow and a woman who didn't earn the money, spending it and that's just human nature.
I was married to a military man. We moved 10 times in 10 years. My husband was often deployed or a full-time student. The longest place we stayed anywhere was in Rota, Spain, where civilians could not hold jobs off the base. Due to his career moves, it was not feasible for me to hold down a job and earn a payheck or retirement funds. IMO, even though I did not go to work to earn the money that our household lived on, I still "earned" that money because I did everything at home. My husband worked outside the home, I worked in it. I raised our son, I cared for our home, prepared our meals, did the outside work and supported my husband in his career and often made decisions without him. You gonna argue with me that I didn't earn that paycheck? Go ahead. I dare you.
I not won't argue with you, I'll agree that Tiger's Ex "earned" the money as well. One only has to look at the loss of endorsement money over the number of years since their break up. Suffice it to say, having the peace of mind to engage in your chosen profession is balanced by having someone providing a loving environment, raising the kids and making the household decisions. I'm willing to bet he's lost more in endorsements that he paid in the settlement. What's also more humorous is that people are complaining about her "windfall" when the amount of money she got is "small" relative to his fortune and continued earning ability. Many other women have gotten a lot more money, been in shorter term marriages, didn't have children, and didn't become a spectacle in the public eye over infidelity. Just saying...
Lol congrats on earning that cheddar but are you really comparing your situation to Tiger and his ex wifes???? LMAO You think she "earned" that amount for just having his kids? Like I said, in many cases the female is put on the pedestal when divorce happens.
Also, I think in the agreement for part the settlement - she can not disclose anything regarding their relationship. So in essence, he compensated her for what she could earn by writing books and doing interviews, i,e., bough her silence
Dude are you serious? You want to say she got over on him fine but saying she earned that money is bs. If taking care of a household and raising kids is equal to one fifth of what someone is worth then nannies need a fucking union because they are grossly under paid. You don't credit for raising your own damn kid that's insulting as hell to say. And I wish people would stop pretending that like that woman is pushing one kid in shoulder and the other one on her hip on their way to the welfare line. People with that level of wealth always have a staff. Which usually includes nannies and maid service. She wasn't toiling away making dinner and cleaning the house from top to bottom so I don't get where this image of her working hard too comes from. Women of opulent wealth don't do much that's a well known fact. Its interesting that no one ever sees it from the perspective that him making that kind of money allowed her precious time with the kids he would never get to have with them because he was busy building an unbelievable lifestyle for them. No matter how much money you make time with your kids are precious and invaluable and I wonder if any of the women who have been blessed with a situation to be home with their kids would say differently. Not to mention his endorsement all came from him winning. You know how I figured that out? Because he was the only one in the damn commercials. No one ever bought sneakers golf clubs or other sporting goods or sports drinks or razors because Tiger is a family man. They bought it because he was the number golfer on earth. And sure other women have gotten more relative to time spent and no kids but I find those women just as disgusting they just aren't the topic of the thread.
I'm sure the custody issue was a big part of it too. People always conviently leave that part out. Homegirl was threatening to leave the country with the man's kids. I get he's a cheating bastard but that's one hell of a bargaining chip.
Yes, I'm serious, and yes she earned it. She's due as much credit for providing a home giving him the peace of mind to play golf as he did for playing golf. The problem is that you want to devalue her contributions because she wasn't "slaving", and I don't agree. Of course she gets credit for raising her own kids, as it pertains to taking an equitable division of property and his being able to concentrate on his career and practice. As I stated, if it didn't matter, if his having a clear mind wasn't a factor, then perhaps he would've continued to win. But, he didn't have that support in place and he faulted, to the tune of $10's of millions of dollars a year. So, obviously she was worth, he won when he was with her and the family was intact. The problem is that you don't value the intrinsic things that a spouse brings to the marriage. If she's not "suffering" and toiling in sweat, then she isn't worth it. I find that kind of attitude insulting, and I'm not a woman. Someday, perhaps you'll see a woman as more than an "asset", good only for what she contributes as equal in your eyes, and more as a partnership to advance the family's well being. Then, we can have another discussion...
The bulk of that man's earnings came from winning for years before he ever met Ellin. Tiger's peace of mind has been messed with due to his own actions but him winning before came from decades of preparation not because someone supposedly made the house clean and didn't stress him out when he got home. I'm not devaluing a thing I'm calling it exactly what it is. I know a lot of the women want to feel a kinship with her since she's a woman who was wronged but the plain and very simple fact is she's not like them. She didn't have to work and a lot if not all her household duties were being taken care of by other people. I'll admit I don't know for sure but I have yet to ever see in my life a person worth even close to that much who didn't have a staff especially those in the limelight. Pictures of them with their kids on OK magazine is a second of their life not the whole picture. I definitely value partnership but I don't like the assumption that staying at home with the kids you helped bring forth into this world is some how a burden especially when you have paid help and no other responsibilities unless you have information I'm not aware of. And I think you devalue the peace of mind being married to a multi millionaire who has provided so much for you that you will never know another day of work in your life as well as the lives of your children unless they choose to. How much is that peace of mind worth?
He made a lot of money before meeting her, but the bulk of it, no. You say that you don't devalue women, but your post says otherwise. You don't see the value of her in the marriage for that very reason. For you, it's pluses and minuses and that doesn't work, IMO. But, carry on. As to how much that peace of mind is worth, again look at what he's lost in his decline since the divorce in terms of sponsors dropping him, potential sponsors not signing him, loss of appearance fees and tournament winnings. Again, bet it's a bigger number than the $100 million settlement...
I didn't say custody was not part of it, I said - part of the deal was the silence. This threatening to leave the country with the kids, I believe is just media gossip - because you cant legally just up and leave with the kids.
The divorce ain't had shit to do with him losing the endorsements it was the scandal. I never said she didn't have value in the marriage but the this idea she was an equal partner is laughable. There's no doubt he loved her since he married her in the first place but lets say me and my girl make it to marriage and I some how secure a good CFO position. She wasn't with me when I was busting my ass in hs undergrad and now grad so everything I acquired as a result of my own hard work and the sacrifices that my family made to get me their doesn't entitle her to half of it or 20 percent just because she had kids we produced together. I value everything she's done for me and does for me but she'd even tell you that she doesn't believe just having kids entitles you to anything because I said before she gets the amazing gift of having private time and bonding with the kids that man will never now. You can't beat that. But we can agree to disagree my friend.
Swirl, you got a half-baked rep and that was from me! My computer hiccuped and the rest of what I wanted to write was lost. So I'll just say it here - was going to anyway, but decided to give you the rep as well. You're a class act. I call you "a woman's man" (as opposed to "a man's man"), which takes nothing at all away from you as a man but adds everything to you as a man. You think like a man, but you have the ability to understand how a woman thinks and what she brings to the table and I like that. There are a few other men on here who have that ability as well, and I, for one, truly appreciate all of you. :smt060 Just had to interrupt to say that. Carry on...
I know you didn't say that but I think the kids angle had more to do with it. In custody battles women ALWAYS win. You practically have to be caught with a needle in your arm for it to go the other way and his well documented history of indiscriminate sex with strangers and pornstars would make him unfit in any judge's eyes so its a very easy thing to leverage. Give me what I want or I leave with the kids to Sweden and you see them twice a year if that. I can definitely see lawyers fighting dirty like that.
When he was married, he played well and earned money. It follows that his peace of mind, lack of distractions, etc, allowed him to focus his energy on being the best golfer. He doesn't have that anymore and he's lost more than he paid her in the settlement. That should be easy to follow. Please, don't play games with the marriage issue. Arguably, he never loved her since he cheated on so many occasions throughout their marriage. You also know that, for the sake of his public image, it made sense for him to get married. There's certainly more evidence to suggest that he didn't love her as that he did love her. Again, your own language betrays you, despite you saying that you don't devalue a spouse. You said that "she got over on him", when it was he who cheated, who trifled with her affections, made her life a lie, affected her self esteem and well being, who was coerced through lies of love to bear children with someone who betrayed you. Right, she sure got over on him. I know the outpouring of sympathy that was shown on this forum to the lady who had the misfortune to be betrayed by her boyfriend. The only difference here is that he's "paying" for some of his misdeeds. But, it sure doesn't mean Tiger's wife didn't feel all the pain of any woman in a similar situation. Given a choice of the money versus the pain and problems, I doubt many men or women would choose money. But, I know it's the hot button for you, dude. As for the rest, I guess it sounds good as justification for leaving someone high and dry. Property settlement, by the way, and child support, are nearly always based on the relative positions of the parties. If you have everything and she has nothing, you'll pay the greater percentage of the child support. If you both are executive level people, the child care costs will be based on both your incomes. If women are educated, or even not, they typically only receive limited alimony, maintenance support until they are EXPECTED to get on their feet, period. As you said we can agree to disagree.
Thank you. I appreciate your comments. I guess that I'd say I'm empathetic and I believe I can look at situations free of gender and focus on what is right and fair.
Since when does cheating have to do with how you feel about your spouse? There are a lot of men who have cheated and just look at it as a sign of release and to fair to Tiger he was performing at a level no one on this forum could ever understand so maybe the pressure got to him. But I don't think it doesn't mean he didn't love his family. For a lot of men monogamy is a struggle I can't even fathom what that struggle must be like when you're the world's most famous athlete and women throw it at you. Not just average women really beautiful women just throw it at you. I know you super swirl are above that but to deny most men aren't is to truly have blinders on. And you act like his cheating was premeditated like dude was thinking "let me get this dumb blonde to fall for me and have my babies and just when she thinks its perfect I'll pull the rug from underneath her and cheat with whole bunch of women. And to top it all off I'm going to make it public to hurt her" I really think it was a case of he probably thought he could handle monogamy at the beginning and really wanted a family as do most men at 29 30 especially if you have the means and felt like she was a good fit. And I can't and won't paint her as a victim just because if you are a grown woman marrying a billionaire athlete, remember he was famous and rich before he met her, you have to go in thinking it is possible for them to cheat. It's completely unrealistic to believe you could always be enough for him or for that matter anyone in a relationship but what do I know?
Your response says it all, Andrae. I don't think that I could add anything to make it more clear that you just did my friend. As for me being different than a lot of men, I admit that readily, but I know that I'm not alone. Some people have the ability, but lack the desire. I guess it depends on your priorities in life. I am not driven by a genetic predisposition, and by the way a variety of other non-human animals do mate for life. Have a great evening. I'm off to the gym to work on my genetics.