The only Oreo in the Room<<<< Any others?

I guess I'd fit into this. I like a lot of older films(I think them far superior to anything that's being put out these days). I listen to a broad range of music. Rap. Rock. R&B. I've even heard some metal I've liked. LOL it's amazing when you sit back and look at things. I prefer standard English to slang(that's probably from watching a lot of older films). And currently trying to stop using the 'n' word, because of it's history. That is not as easy as one might think. Nothing against kats that use it, but.

What's amazing is that some people look at attributes like that and call you self-hating. :roll:

And people say the mainstream media doesn't influence opinion and thoughts.

And another thing, I find Oreo a little harsh in the wording department. I prefer to think that I just think out of the box a little.

 

I'm gonna come to Tucker's defense here. Maybe he is right to call himself an Oreo.

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How many black guys do you know named Tucker?

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Although being educated and mild mannered is not inherently white, the history of this country has mongrelized black culture by cutting it off from employment, education, and real estate making it almost impossible for American blacks to develop a fully functioning and economically viable community and the self-fulfilling culture that goes along with that. Instead, blacks have had to make the best of what they were able to guilt trip out of the government, and forcefully take from the well off, while at the same time protecting what community they did have from people who did not want them here. The images of "black" culture we see today is the product of that history.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Its no surprise that many blacks don't want to be apart of the mainstream. The mainstream has never wanted them to be. It took an amendment to the American constitution to make blacks full citizens. This is hard for Africans to understand because they have their own country where the government does not treat them like stepchildren - well at least not all of them, but full-fledged loved ones.

Anyway, to get back to my point. For the few first generation or second generation token blacks who were apart of outreach programs to educate them at good schools, they were surrounded by white students or they grew up in predominantly white neighborhoods where the cultural norms are different. Many are faced with a dilemma: Do they abide by the culural norms of the white community or the black community? Those who abide by the norms of the white community are labeled Oreos.

Now there is nothing inherently wrong with labels, but some labels are wrong. The fact is the norms of the white community are norms for any healthy community. In general they are not 'white' or 'black', but in these circumstances in the US, its the reality.

So Tucker is just being realistic.

 

Just to lighten the mood, am I the only girl in the room who thinks of a steamy interracial threesome when they hear the word "oreo"?

I'll get my coat...

 

what is Pey whinng about? I wasnt calling you an Oreo, Pey, I was calling myself one

all: I am comfortable with the term, like some people label themselves black. It is not derogatory to me, though if it is derogatory to you then dont label yourselves as such.

I see people calling each other N and yet they dont make a fuss about that label or calling women the B word and not upset with using that label.

thanks Choc, and Ladeezman, I am sorry you hate your old friend now but hey i am just pointing out the obvious that most brothas here are not OREOs and that the few, Me and Nilan are and we are not accepted by the rest. the women here dont like our types sexually, or socially, neither do most of the women in the world because were are not "cool" or the stereotypical black man.


I hear alot of people on here talking about hating labels but see them calling people Uncle Tom, if they vote for Bush or calling women sluts or making fun of Christians but NOT other religions, so I dont really they are being all that honest about Labels.

 

I am 9 generation in this country on my fathers side and 12 generation on my mothers side

 

Zip that duffle coat right up and keep on walking...

 

I used to think OREO was a put down, but as I matured, I realized that it was a compliment from people who felt so bad about themselves that they had to put others down. LIke Uncle Tom, used as a put down to black men that will not go along with the agenda of the majority of black folk. I actually read the book Uncle Toms cabin and it is clear that Uncle Tom was the most positive and strongest character. So I found out that most people who use the term falsely, never actually read the book.

as for OREO, its used by people who dont know anything about me. they think there is something wrong with talking with proper diction, who get good grades, who enjoy living in the country and suburbs, who listen to music they like, not stereotypes and who can get all with all types and races of people.

So i now, understand OREO as a good thing. I get along and share alot in common with white people and I dont hate nor do I want to seperate from them. I believe in Integration racially and equality. I am black and proud of my african heritage but also proud of my european heritage as well and proud of being American so I dont have a problem with the term at all

 

Oreo is another way of saying Uncle Tom for some black people...



and, Uncle Tom has a whole different meaning than it used to. The original Uncle Tom wasn't anti-black, like your modern Uncle Tom is today, so I don't think it's used falsely at all nowadays.

 

thats why i dont mind the term, i dont see it in the way they use it nowadays, its just doesnt make any sense since Uncle Tom was a very virtuous and supportive character. I dont know how it could have changed, if someone read the book. it would seem like they would use another name, like stepin fetchit, or jesse jackson. Uncle Jesse is good

 

nilan, man where ya been? we were going to have our convention of OREOs, i will bring the HiDROX

 

Oreo?...You aint fooling anybody Tuck. We all know you've got some
spinning rims on your tires. :shock:

 

what are those?

 

Tacky rims.

 

uggh, he wants me to put them on my car? those are trashy and i wouldnt be caught dead with flashy things like that.

 

what the hell are you talking about Pey? :roll:

 

sorry i disappointed you Ladeezman, i just had to be honest, i observe, that everyone who is lock step with what is mainstream and cool in black culture is liked and people who are not are ridiculed, thats why I have to accept the fact that them calling me Oreo must be true.

I love black culture, just not being force fed black ghetto culture in order to be accepted as authentically black. why dont people emphasize African history, culture and hardworking african american acheivements and leaders and the whole history of black america, not just the poor, the struggling, the fight the power types? we are more than just victims.

 

As hard as i find it to believe, i have to agree with what you've said Tucker. I suppose its what you want. I personally choose not to label myself as such because its just as bad the word "nigger" but i suppose its a matter of preference.

Im absolutely sure MLK and Rosa Parks would be unhappy in their heavenly abodes about that.

Hey Tucker dont be silly, i dont hate you. Just because i dont agree with your opinion doesnt make you any wrong or less deserving of respect you rightly deserve. Do you know that as a matter of fact, most of my friends who are black males are what you like to term as "OREO". They dont swear, sag pants, they're all in college or working, most or all are dating white women. For some reason, i dont identify with the stereotypical thug black male or the black men from ghetto life. Maybe its reflective of how i grew up since i lived mostly in the middle/upper class societies.

I never call people Toms, in fact I get called that. I dont like the Bush administration but im a republican and proud of it. I cant wait for 2008. :lol: Calling women sluts is no characteristic of a gentleman, which i am, so i dont do that.

 

You seem to be misunderstanding me Tucker. I dont have an objection to you not liking hip-hop and black culture as quite frankly, i also believe a lot of its present elements stink. It makes me cringe. I just dont find the fact that you label yourself with such a word flattering.

I agree with everything you've said in your last paragraph. Some people call me "Coconut" and stuff which doesnt bother me. Recently, myself and a couple of girlfriends (who are white) were discussing about the show Laguna Beach and about three blacks, two girls and one dude. They walked by one of them said "do you see a coconut around here". I heard quite well and knew they were referring to me but i didnt utter a word.

I only thought to myself that these things are just an indication of the lack of values that black people need. Instead of getting their priorities right, they value silly things. Big shame i tell ya.

 

How na Cris? How body? Wetin be "coconut"?

 

I just dey, iya oyinbo. :wink: In case you no know, coconut nah black man wey dem talk sey they act like white man. The thing no dey pain me though. Na dem mumu dey talk that kind rubbish. :lol: