Romney Avoids Paying Taxes For 15 Years

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  1. blackbull1970

    blackbull1970 Well-Known Member

    By Jesse Drucker - Oct 28, 2012 9:01 PM PT

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...es-via-loophole-cutting-mormon-donations.html

    In 1997, Congress cracked down on a popular tax shelter that allowed rich people to take advantage of the exempt status of charities without actually giving away much money.

    Individuals who had already set up these vehicles were allowed to keep them. That included Romney, then the chief executive officer of Bain Capital, who had just established such an arrangement in June 1996.

    The charitable remainder unitrust, as it is known, is one of several strategies Romney has adopted over his career to reduce his tax bill. While Romney’s tax avoidance is legal and common among high-net-worth individuals, it has become an issue in the campaign. President Obama attacked him in their second debate for paying “lower tax rates than somebody who makes a lot less.”

    In this instance, Romney used the tax-exempt status of a charity -- the Mormon Church, according to a 2007 filing -- to defer taxes for more than 15 years. At the same time he is benefiting, the trust will probably leave the church with less than what current law requires, according to tax returns obtained by Bloomberg this month through a Freedom of Information Act request.

    In general, charities don’t owe capital gains taxes when they sell assets for a profit. Trusts like Romney’s permit funders to benefit from that tax-free treatment, said Jonathan Blattmachr, a trusts and estates lawyer who set up hundreds of such vehicles in the 1990s.

    Near Zero

    “The main benefit from a charitable remainder trust is the renting from your favorite charity of its exemption from taxation,” Blattmachr said. Despite the name, giving a gift or getting a charitable deduction “is just a throwaway,” he said. “I used to structure them so the value dedicated to charity was as close to zero as possible without being zero.”

    When individuals fund a charitable remainder unitrust, or “CRUT,” they defer capital gains taxes on any profit from the sale of the assets, and receive a small upfront charitable deduction and a stream of yearly cash payments. Like an individual retirement account, the trust allows money to grow tax deferred, while like an annuity it also pays Romney a steady income. After the funder’s death, the trust’s remaining assets go to a designated charity.

    Romney’s CRUT, which is only a small part of the $250 million that Romney’s campaign cites as his net worth, has been paying him 8 percent of its assets each year. As the Romneys have received these payments, the money that will potentially be left for charity has declined from at least $750,000 in 2001 to $421,203 at the end of 2011.

    Tax Returns

    The Romney campaign declined to answer written questions about the trust.
    “The trust has operated in accordance with the law,” Michele Davis, a campaign spokeswoman, said in an e-mail.
    Paul Comstock, a financial adviser to LDS Philantrophies, an arm of the Mormon Church, said that while he wasn’t familiar with the trust, Romney and his trustee might arrange to compensate the church for the dwindling amount with other gifts.

    “It may be that they’ve made provisions for the charity someplace else that will make up for what this isn’t going to give them,” Comstock said.
    Bloomberg News obtained the trust’s tax returns from 2007 to 2011 from the IRS. Romney hasn’t disclosed the trust’s tax returns and is under no legal obligation to do so. He did make some disclosures about the trust’s investments in Mass. filings from 2002 to 2007 and as a presidential candidate in the current campaign.

    After Death

    Funds held by Romney’s trust are scheduled to be distributed after the death of Romney and his wife to “a charitable organization to be designated by Romney,” according to the 2007 filing, disclosing assets he held while governor of Massachusetts. “In the absence of such a designation the funds will go to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.”

    Davis declined to comment on whether Romney has designated another charity since then.

    Romney has been an active member of the church, which expects members to donate 10 percent of their income. Over the years, he has donated millions of dollars of stock in Bain-owned companies to the church, securities filings show.

    The church recommends such trusts on its website as one of many options for donors.

    “Probably one of the advantages of a charitable remainder trust is that it helps with capital gains tax,” said Carl McLelland, an attorney in the planned giving office for LDS Philanthropies.

    Capital Gains

    CRUTs were more common in the 1990s when capital gains rates were higher. In 1996, when Romney set up his trust in Massachusetts, the federal rate was 28 percent, compared with 15 percent today. At the time, a Massachusetts state resident who sold shares for a gain of $1 million could have faced a combined state and federal capital gains tax of as much as 40 percent, reducing his take to $600,000.

    By contrast, if he contributed the stock to a CRUT, and it sold the shares, it typically wouldn’t owe any tax since it is a charitable trust. The CRUT could reinvest the $1 million and earn a return on the full amount.

    “The power of this is the tax deferral,” said Jay Freidman, a partner at accounting firm Perelson Weiner LLP in New York. “The money is all growing tax free and he only pays tax on what is distributed to him.”

    Concerned that CRUTS weren’t sufficiently philanthropic, Congress mandated in July 1997 that the present value of what was projected to be left for charity must equal at least 10 percent of the initial contribution. Existing CRUTS weren’t affected by the new law.

    Dwindling Principal

    Romney’s trust was projected to leave to charity an amount with a present value of a little less than 8 percent of the initial contribution, according to an analysis by Friedman. Thus, the specifics of Romney’s trust wouldn’t have passed legal muster if it had been set up 13 months later, he said.

    Because the trust’s investments have been earning a return far below its annual payouts to the Romneys, its principal has dwindled rapidly.

    In 2001, five years after it was established, the trust had a value of between $750,000 and $1.25 million. Since then, it has pursued a conservative investment strategy -- regardless of the ups and downs of the stock market -- buying a mix of money- market funds, federally-backed bonds and federal bond funds. Since 2007, it has moved its assets entirely into cash. By 2011, its investments earned a return of $48, down from between $60,001 and $100,000 in 2001. It paid $36,696 to the Romneys in 2011.

    Romneys Favored

    The current investing strategy favors the Romneys over the charity because they get a guaranteed payout, said Michael Arlein, a trusts and estates lawyer at Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP.

    “The Romneys get theirs off the top and the charity gets what’s left,” he said. “So by definition, if it’s not performing as well, the charity gets harmed more.”
    The trustee for Romney’s CRUT is R. Bradford Malt, chairman of the law firm Ropes & Gray LLP, and manager for Romney’s various family trusts as well as his personal attorney. Ropes & Gray has also been for years the main outside counsel for Bain Capitol, CRUT maintains the same investing strategy, assets will continue to shrink, said Jerome M. Hesch, a tax and estate planning attorney at the law firm Carlton Fields. The trustee acted prudently in protecting against losses during a stock market decline, he said.

    Nevertheless, “what’s going to go to charity is probably close to nothing,” Hesch said
     
  2. Alinoa

    Alinoa New Member

    Oh but come now! Any Romnesia fan would remind YOU that he gave 28 million dollars of his money to charity and Biden only gave a 365.
    Never mind that Romnesia wasn't actually charity given the way he makes his money and the way he plays the system to benefit himself more than the people receiving said charity. But hey! It's the thought that counts and charity starts at home, eh?

    Oh, and apparently people seem to think that millions of dollars is far better given in selfishness that Bidens 365 which was most likely given in a spirit of something that at least is charitable.
     
  3. Wunword

    Wunword New Member

    Asinine
     
  4. JordanC

    JordanC Well-Known Member

    We have a volunteer and charity thread around here. To me the people who say I volunteer to tutor, give my time or talent is truly giving vs I have an extra million hanging around and I needed a tax write off. Or the people who say I took canned good and put them in the bin for those who have no food so an act that took so little out of me should be knighted. How is that giving, truly giving? I do suspect a lot of people "give" for the tax benefit so Romney wouldn't be alone if that is what he does. I so know Mrs Biden drove supplies to Katrina victims. When I guess she could have just given a check.

    I think I read Biden's income was $380,000. That is walking around money for Romney not living money. So how do you compare when someone has so much excess??
     
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2012
  5. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    Senator Reid is telling the truth. Conservatives must apologize but,knowing them they will not since they are real hypocrites.
     
  6. Alinoa

    Alinoa New Member

    I know you didn't take that post seriously. I can't stand Romney or his fake "cleaning up after a hurricane is like cleaning up after a football game" "charity" for tax write offs or food drives for photo ops. There is a special hell just for mitt after he dies. He better enjoy his soulless existence now because where he's going after he dies ain't pretty.
    Same goes for that dickbag Ryan. Washing already clean pots in a soup kitchen.

    Who fucking does that? More over who the fuck votes for asswipes that do that?
     
  7. Alinoa

    Alinoa New Member

    Oh, look. You're back.



    I'd say something about your reflection..but I'll refrain.
     
  8. Wunword

    Wunword New Member

    Shucks
     
  9. Alinoa

    Alinoa New Member

    I was really sassy upon opening my eyes. I've mellowed out a lot.

    My apologies?
     
  10. Wunword

    Wunword New Member

    Unneccessary
     
  11. Alinoa

    Alinoa New Member

    No necessary. I was mean and it was uncalled for.
     
  12. Wunword

    Wunword New Member

    Okay
     
  13. Iggy

    Iggy Banned

    Damn that Mitt Romney for being more successful and wealthier than I am !!!!!!:smt076:smt076:smt076


    (thats what you guys sound like. Sounds like a lot of envy to me)
     
  14. Alinoa

    Alinoa New Member

    Are you stuck on repeat? or do you have an off button? If you do you might want to find it and activate it.

    That, or stop watching fox news.
    You lose 10,000 brain cells for every minute and god kills baby seals for the fuck of it when you do.
     
  15. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    When 'millions' in charitable giving is tied to a tax shelter scheme to avoid paying taxes, those so called 'charitable donations' weren't really charitable, were they???:p
     
  16. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    You need to take a fucking chill pill. I can't stand the Clintons but I like them compared to you spewing such hatred for Romney and Ryan.

    Seriously, Alinoa, you act like they're fucking Hitler reincarnated. This post goes above and beyond normal feelings of dislike for a candidate you aren't voting for. FFS, Romney is not the antichrist even though you'd like to make him out to be at every opportunity.
     
  17. Alinoa

    Alinoa New Member

    Yep. Pretty much.

    I don't like everything you say about Obama.

    I also don't directly call you out on it, specifically you..I mean.

    Sorry if I'm not all keen with my individual rights being taken away. I can't find the exact quote ATM but he WAS quoted as saying that not all Americans should have their constitutional rights upheld. I'm not all about shoving my religion down someone's else's throat or the right to arm bears...but THAT scares the crap out of me.

    But hey. If you're cool with you know.. Gay people not being able to get legally married or woman working for lower pay or whatever YOUR thing is..then rock on.
     
  18. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Ali, the right to bear arms existed back when the Constitution was drafted. Obama has upheld that right.

    Obama has also maintained the Federal law that marriage is recognized as being between a man and a woman.

    Obama has continued to allow that women work for lower pay.

    So is he Hitler in your eyes, too?
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2012
  19. Alinoa

    Alinoa New Member

    Keep up ok?

    Obviously, I'm referring to Romney in that post.

    But he did get the Ledbetter act passed in 2009 (Obama)... So at least he's making strides toward equality.
    Here, let me get you an extra binder...

    Opposite sex couples should still be legally protected under the law..same sex couple should be included in that protection. Obama supports that. Romney does not.

    The 2nd amendment right is my own personal thoughts on the matter. Don't like guns, never have. But people should be allowed to own them because that is a right in the constitution. Thing is anti gun movements seek to make things safer. At least that's the theory. I don't think that changing the constitution will make that happen. But back when it was drafted we didn't have media glorifying gang life either.
    But just because I don't personally own a gun and would never shoot one even if my life was in danger should I have one..I don't think people like Ted nugent should have his arsenal taken away either.
    I just don't own or use a gun.

    To bad the Christian Right can't say the same thing about women's rights.
     
  20. Iggy

    Iggy Banned

    damn Alinoa is getting owned left & right in this thread lol.
     

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