Oh Love, but you must know, everyone has two sides. I am never not myself, it's just most people only see the side that's usually pleasant, but when provoked, there are usually two sides to most people, when they are pushed awkwardly. Love ya.
What possible incentive could you give me to talk to him? And at the great risk of sticking up for him too, we are not 'derailing' the thread. Believe me, I love thread purity, and the principle behind it, more than anybody, but since it clearly isn't being enforced on this site, any ANY thread, I'm not gonna constrain myself to rules that either don't exist, or aren't being enforced, if the majority don't either. If people are interested enough to talk about Polanski, they will. Don't blame us for their unwillingness to focus on topic. (climbs off high horse, takes deep breath, a long swig of Black Label, plasters great big smile on face, sits down on patio, pours out two glasses, three fingers each, hands one over, ands says.....) "So, going back on topic, what's YOUR take on the fella, Jordan?"
Well I for one appreciate Rinnaye standing up for the ladies on this forum when we are being verbally abused. My sense of decency has been questioned by a man who obviously doesn’t have any. Not only has he verbally abused myself and Athena, he’s also verbally abused someone who was very brave & shared her experience of rape. Called her disgusting then told her she made the whole thing up for attention, and then wanted her to give him the chain of events that lead up to the rape. And he has the nerve to call my sense of decency into question? HELLO!!! Then when he has obviously run out of things to say he goes the attack on your appearance…yawn.
Polanski is a vile criminal who admittedly drugged and raped (including sodomy) a child of 13 years of age. After attempting to plea bargain and buy the victim off, he then jumped bail, and fled to another country. Given these facts, decisions don't come any easier than this, he (or I should say "it", not sure we can refer to Polanski as a human after committing such a heinous crime) should rot, rot, rot, in jail for the rest of his days. As a father of a daughter, the fact that he has lived the life, and tasted the sweet liberty of a free man for the past 3+ decades boils my blood. As a father, one of your primary duties is to protect your family from such sick, twisted, perverts. Bottom line - rape is a crime against all humanity, the law must be enforced, lock him up...throw away the key. Oh, and while I would not advocate crimes against him while in jail.... I would not shed a tear if he got a taste of his own medicine.
Wow I missed all this, the Roman Polanski debate had me pondering so I haven't come back onto it since it was first posted, should have known it would turn into a something entirely different a handful of pages in.
If there's one thing I've learned from this thread, it's that Rinnaye is significantly awesome. Goodonya, dude.
i have already commented on what i think should happen to polanski...since the topic was about rape...i am curious about something i just read last night bm spent 9 years in prison was paroled in 2002? 2003...he was really innocent which has been recently proven and he now seeks restituation from the state where he was convicted...someone that knew him in prison and was on the same cell block said that being convicted of a crime he didn't commit turned the man into a monster...he basically felt raped by the system...i agree that he was raped by the system...because of how he felt things had gone down he spent the 9 years he was in prison raping and torturing his fellow weaker inmates... does it give you the chills? do you blame him? should he be held accountable? did he do his time and whatever he did to the others is forgivable... he is not facing any charges for having forceable raped men in prison discuss:
Wow, tough situation. I am sure from a legal standpoint he could make a very good case for severe mental distress brought on by his false imprisonment, and the day to day gladiator lifestyle present behind bars. At the very least he would have a good shot at mitigating his liability in the case that one of the inmates ever filed rape charges against him. Bottom line for me, is that no matter how unjust his treatment, it does not excuse his criminal mistreatment of others. He has recourse through civil suit and probably a large sum of $ in a judgement. I know that $ can't replace 9 years of his life, but paying out money is the only way our justice system says "I'm sorry, we made a mistake".
He SHOULD be charged for that. Yes, he was screwed profoundly by the justice system, but that doesnt give him licence to take it out on others that had nothing to do with his unfortunate situation. Someones justifiable resentment for being treated with injustice is not an excuse. On another note - I dont know how common rape is in prison, but I assume its very common, but does anyone know what the rate is of them acctually being reported (which I assume is very low) and if they lead to charges????
Interesting questions, it seems fairly common and very under-reported according to this link. http://www.cdharris.net/text/rape.html
To Rinnaye I agree with you on most things but the whole us Britains aren't better off because we no longer have the Death Penalty, I don't agree at all, just take a look at all the posthumously quashed convictions we have given out and I would say at the time in the 60s, we did not have the facilities to provide absolute proof of someones guilt DNA and such. We made the right move and I'm sure because of that there are innocent men wrongly convicted still alive and able to plead there case in this era. Here are just a few of the list. Stefan Kiszko was convicted in 1976 for the rape and murder of an 11-year old Lesley Molseed in 1975. He spent 16 years in prison before he was released in 1992, after a long campaign by his mother. He died of a heart attack the following year at the age of 41. His mother died a few months later. In 2007, Ronald Castree, of Shaw, near Oldham, was found to have the same DNA as Lesley's attacker and was convicted at Bradford Crown Court. Colin Stagg falsely imprisoned for the Rachel Nickell murder case on Wimbledon Common, London in 1992, but cleared in 1994.The case was thrown out on the grounds that police had used a "honey trap" plot in a bid to encourage him to confess. On November 28, 2007, Robert Napper, a convicted rapist and serial killer, was charged with her murder on the basis of new DNA evidence, and convicted on December 18, 2008. Stagg was subsequently awarded £706,000 compensation, and claims the false conviction ruined 14 years of his life, as he became unemployable and shunned. Sally Clark was convicted in 1996 of the murder of her two small sons Christopher and Harry, and spent 3 years in jail, finally being released in 2003 on appeal. The convictions were based solely on the analysis of the deaths by the Home Office Pathologist Alan Williams, who failed to disclose relevant information about the deaths, and backed up by the paediatric professor Sir Roy Meadow, whose opinion was pivotal in several other child death convictions, many of which have been overturned or are in the process of being disputed. In 2005 Williams was found guilty of serious professional misconduct and barred from practicing pathology for 3 years. In July 2005 Meadow was also removed from the Medical Register for serious professional misconduct and prohibited from practicing medicine. Sally Clark became an alcoholic as a result of her ordeal and died of alcohol poisoning in 2006. If there had been a death penalty all these people would not have had a chance to establish there innocence, although fat lot of good it did them, there lifes were still ruined.
Well, if he went in an innocent man, then he was indeed raped by the system, many prisoners were too (I'd also say that a lot of people in everyday life get raped by life itself, but that's a whole 'nother topic), but that is NOT an excuse to rape other inmates. Yes, he should be charged and punished. Like I said before, you cannot rape as punishment for rape. Slightly off-topic, but I suspect Mike Tyson was raped whilst in jail. He has made several tirades and rants since leaving prison, some of them have been oblique references to possibly being raped. Here's his press conference for the Lewis fight, judge for yourselves... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_q9Z1xnFGk But yes, ANY man getting tossed unjustly into jail, knowing what he may face, gives me the heaves.
lippy used to believe in the death penalty and there will still be cases where such a heinous crime is commited that i would wish them dealth BUT recently there have been so many cases of people having sat their butt in prison for years only to find out they are innocent..how many people have we killed that were innocent...that frightens me...can you imagine facing death for a crime you know you didn't commit...what about that jewish kid from long island that they convicted of killing his parents...he is out now after having spent his entire young adulthood in prison...he is now going to law school...
The whole thing makes me feel sick to the stomach, if I was American I'd also probably be scared of being, one of those that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. All the time there are errors like this going on, I don't think you can safely execute anyone without a reasonable doubt. I have wondered about the cost of keeping prisioners before, I think more are executed due to there upkeep costs rather than a real sense of justice. Uhmm edit= just checked the numbers and I doubt that its a money thing I'd exspect to see more dead, total executions since 1976 1,176 with Texas at the top with 441 with Virginia next in line at 103. This year so far it's 18 for Texas and only October.
