Obama Would Kill McCain

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Kid Rasta, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. Kid Rasta

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  2. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    Re: Obama Would Defeat McCain

    The only thang I like, with the name "McCain" on it, is a bag of french fries, playa

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  3. LaydeezmanCris

    LaydeezmanCris New Member

    I believe - and hope - that Senator Barack Obama becomes the eventual nominee of the Democratic Party but i believe it is a bit too early to state who will or will not be defeated. Shit, we ain't even had the conventions yet.

    Secondly, i have to strongly disagree with the Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary dream ticket. It's not a good idea and won't happen for so many reasons, including the fact that neither party would want to be overshadowed by the other. Let's face it, if Hillary wins with Obama, he would simply be the occupant of Number One Observatory Circle because in all honesty, Bill Clinton will be the de facto Vice President. Obama will be the biggest puppet in an administration since George H.W. Bush. If it happens the other way round, the Clintons will not be content to playing second fiddle to anyone, Barack Obama included. Hillary would rather be a cleaner on the New York subways than be mourner-in-chief.

    Another reason why it won't happen, especially if Obama ends up the actual nominee is that there is so much animosity between both parties. Sure, previous opponents have run together, the most recognizable being Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush after their infamous "I'm paying for this microphone" and "voodoo economics" shots. But this is much different. The beef between these two runs so deep it resonates with their supporters. Hillary's supporters don't give a shit about Barack and the easiest way to piss off a person sporting an "Obama '08" placard is to mention the New York Senator's name.

    If at all they would run together, a Vice Presidential slot favors Obama for the most obvious reason - age. If he's VP for eight years - and that's assuming Hil wins this year and is reelected in 2012, he'd be "only" 55 years old which is modest in political contexts. If she, on the other hand, is veep, she'd be 68 years old. Now i do believe that McCain could very will win and be the oldest president but you and i both know that America would not vote for a 68 year old won for President. People would be tired of her already and she'd be even more polarizing than she ever was.

    Lastly and perhaps most importantly, it makes no electoral sense for two "firsts" to run together. Forget the racial controversy the two were embedded in, come November, black folks will roll the carpet for HRC once again. All she needs to do is remind us how evil and racist George W. Bush and the Republicans and we'll be at the polls faster than Asafa Powell at the 100m Olympics race. It's a shame but it happens time and time again when Dems ignore or downright insult us yet we support them anyway. Just a few visits to black churches around the country will be fine for her. She already would have the Hispanic vote although that is debatable as McCain is unusually popular with Latinos as a Republican. She'd be most likely to pick a Midwestern white male with centrist credentials to peel away some of that 64% white male Republican vote. Evan Bayh fits that profile best and he's endorsed her anyway. Or even a guy like Mark Warner who did well in conservative districts in his run for Governor in 2002.

    But of course, American politics is increasingly dynamic and that makes it so hard to dictate how patterns cut themselves out. Obama has proven to be a bona fide player in politics and he's motivating the young voters in way not seen since the days of another young, inexperienced but promising Senator called John F Kennedy. It has been said that young people don't vote but you can't say that this time around. On Super Tuesday, they all flocked to the polls delivering him 64% of their votes. What's more, in contrast to Hillary, he has crossover appeal towards independents and even some Republicans. Conservatives will definitely be voting against her so she'd need someone who can invite hardcore liberals and independents to offset that swarming conservative pressure and so far, Obama has proven to be the guy to do that. I really do believe his fans are really pissed off after all her ad-hominem attacks on him with her and should she get the nomination, she'd be pressured to offer him the VP slot or alienate those voters who could swing the election her way. Blacks already have rejected her and she cannot afford to alienate more Democrats. Anything else and Obama fans will stay home. And that spells disaster for Senator Clinton.

    I guess the smart thing to do will be to wait and see how the whole thing plays itself out.
     
  4. mrscott88

    mrscott88 New Member

    The problems that the democrats have KID is that there is now serious bad blood between Hilary and Barack's camp's.

    The interesting thing about the american political system is how strongly that voter loyalty lies with their candidates (please excuse any spelling mistakes, its 3.15am as I write this).

    what I mean is whoever wins there is going to be a great deal of voter apathy from the rival candidates supporter's. If Barack wins its highly likely that a large percentage of Hilarys supporters may not bother to vote come election day and vice-versa, both candidates (especially Barack Obama) need to come together and put aside their differences.

    The other troubling factor in this election is what I call the George W Bush effect, with Bush out of the picture, no Dick Cheney and no Rumsfeld many more people may be inclined to vote for Mcain the reason being is nobody could really be worst after the joker that we have in the white house at the moment and Mcain is known as a moderate republican who speaks his mind and does not toe the republican party line.

    I have a feeling that this election could throw up some real surprises and I will not believe it until I see it.

    Anyways fingers crossed for Obama
     
  5. Kid Rasta

    Kid Rasta Restricted

    Wrong on both counts. The Republicans are dead in the water this yr.

    Say Hello to President Obama.

    The Kid Rasta 8)
     
  6. mrscott88

    mrscott88 New Member

    Dude I hear what your saying but america is the only country in the world where 1 presidential candidate can have 500.000 more voters than the other guy and still lose.

    Be honest how many of us thought in the last election that buffoon bush would get his ass kicked to the curb.

    It aint over till the fat lady sings and she aint singing till nov 20 2008.
     
  7. Kid Rasta

    Kid Rasta Restricted

    Trust me, bro...the 'fat lady' is singing her ass off! And you know what's she's singing??? President Barack Obama!

    The Kid Rasta 8)
     
  8. Howiedoit

    Howiedoit Active Member

    I am rooting for Obama but everyone must beware the General elections can get dirty with the Republicans.

    Watch for people trying to "Swiftboat" Obama.

    I have my fingers cross for Obama.
     

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