Obama - "Take that VP slot and Shove it up Ye Arse&quot

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080310/ap_on_el_pr/obama_ticket

well...

looks like anyone's fantasy of a "dream ticket," with obama riding shotgun, is being shot dead..

no word on whether or not Hillary will take a VP slot for obama tho

:wink:

 

It's ridiculous that Clinton is throwing out all this garbage when she's losing to Obama in the campaign.

She's so full of shit and it's disgusting.

 

I'm trying hard to not pull the race card here. Why would the front-runner take the second banana slot? It's like when Bob Dole wanted Colin Powell to be his VP back in '96 when all polls said Colin could win.

 

Hmm, all the polls said he could win, until the weeks and days until primary season began. Powell reached the height of his appeal in 1995 and when white conservative Republicans closely scrutinized his stances on gun control, abortion and yes, affirmative action - keep in mind this was the the mid 90s, the height of the affirmative action battle - they jumped off the bandwagon. I was back in Nigeria at the time but i followed that shit closely on CNN. The polls leading up to Iowa saw Powell running behind Dole so that argument perhaps doesn't work here.

Perhaps there is a racial element here, and i would not put it past the Clintons, but as a fair man, i dont see it here. What i think Hillary is hitting at is that Obama could and probably will win Mississippi, North Carolina and the remaining "bubble gum" states with not-so-many delegates. And remember the delegate count is proportional, as opposed to the Republican field where it was a winner-take-all ring. That means that Obama will pick up a significantly large share of delegates whilst she will get the remainder. However, she's banking on a big win in Pennsylvania - and she'll probably win it given its mass similarities to Ohio - to maintain the pace.

At the end of it all, Hillary's last great hope is the dreaded and undeniably undemocratic "superdelegates" - a group of about 800 people including congressmen, senators, ex-presidents and vice presidents and party activists - simply because she's the establishment candidate with the potent machine. However, it might be all slippery slope and if Obama wins his expected states and makes it close in Pennsylvania, perhaps it'd be tougher than Hillary Cankles thought.

I see this thing being decided by a brokered convention a la 1968. I hate to agree with that gasbag Bill O'Reilly, but he is spot on in saying that the Democratic National Convention will be chaotic. Tensions will run so high it'd look like a slumber party. Fortunately, there is one really, really, peaceful alternative - make' em run together.

And that they would do. Mark my words. Of course the debate about how the opposing side's surrogates will feel is not a closed door but it'd happen anyway for the sake of the party.

 

If I could choose someone else to run besides obama..

it would have been colin powell..

for him to do so much for african-americans in the military, as far as rank and control..it would have seen appropriate for him to take it up a notch and go for pres...

although secretary of state wasn't bad either..

 

You're dreaming, they won't run together.

And the party won't risk losing all the new, young people that Obama has brought into the process by going against the will of the popular vote/caucuses/primaries and making them cynical right off the bat.

A Hillary nomination will energize the Right against a common enemy. Pundits say Obama is a better opponent against McCain (but then again anybody would be since he's essentially a third Bush term).

I'm thinking the majority of superdelegates will swing towards Obama, but only time will tell.

 

It wasn't, but if not for Dick Cheney, he would have been running things at the Pentagon. Apparently, Bush was going to make him Secretary of Defense but the ever hawkish Dick Cheney wanted a neoconsevative hawk a la Donald Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz to counter the less hawkish and more diplomatic State Department big guns.

I really believe that was a big mistake. Had Colin Powell being Secretary of Defense - and he was more aptly suited to the job than SOS given his military experience and credentials - we won't be with this mess of two poorly managed wars. We might have not gone into Iraq with him in the Pentagon, and if we did, we probably would have handled it better that our troops might have been home now.

 

don't know..

a lot of factors are involved with this war in iraq.

we obviously have a strong military, capable of defeating just about any other military in the modern world..

however..

we aren't fighting a military now..

we're trying to rebuild a country and do not want to just "cut n run," until the new Iraq is capable of taking care of itself..

so many variables are involved in that entire process, making it a difficult one to facilitate..

this only gets harder as more and more troops from our coalition, are pulled back and sent home..

it's like everything is on the U.S., and we HAVE to stay in Iraq, unless we want something similar to Vietnam taking place..

..where the people who are against democracy eventually overrun the last democratic Iraqi forces, after our withdrawl..

Until the forces that we're training in Iraq are capable of taking care of their own country, I don't see us coming home anytime soon

if we want to get the job done right, anyway..

if public opinion took a real nosedive, and our new president buckled under pressure, our troops would pull out and yet another country would have another reason to hate the US