Norway Has the Best Prison In the World

Jesus.

 

I didn't write that... it came form the link... Just another view... Didn't say I agreed w that. Everything is relative, I know that view is prevalent in Western Europe. But look t the rehabilitation numbers.....

 

Im sorry yall but Im with FG. they have a smaller crime rate thus something is going right. In the 80's the govt ran the prison system and the educated prisoners and the return rate of prisoners was low. now the return rate is high. why ? because in the late 80's it went private. private prison systems will need a large amt of inmates to justify being around..so what do they do ? they remove the education system. they increase the prison time for crack versus powder and ect... in arizona they were trying to pass an illegal immagration bill that was extremely racial and jail illegals. all in the while they were building more private jails. to what I understand the gov. of that state had some financial stakes in that private business venture. lets not get fooled.

 

Rehabilitation is supposed to be rehabilitation

American thinking isnt always the best, and countries like Norway realize that. People that go to jail in the states, generally end up worse off with nothing to look forward to once they get out but a janitorial job if they're lucky.

 

Believe it or not, there are prisons here in the United States that are more posh than that. White collar crimes criminals usually end up in those prisons. Many of them don't even have a fence, they just have a painted white line that goes around the cottages. If a prisoner steps beyond that white line, he goes to a much rougher prison.

Pool tables, swimming pools, saunas, etc. here in the United States. You'd NEVER see Tyrone from the 'hood in those kinds of prisons.

Not only that, many of your halfway houses where ex-drug addicts live for a while can be like that. Not all, but some. I know a friend who bragged about the 64 inch tv set he gets to watch during sporting events, his access to a computer with internet services all from his room in the halfway house.

 

white collar crimes do not ensure a posh environment...it depends on how long the sentence is going to be...many times they start out in med...then move to low security and then eventually move to camps...

 

Exactly.

I could write lots here about the legal principles of sentencing but I'm too tired.

Facts show universally better recidivism stats in countries with less harsh sentencing.

Fucking politicians in the US and sometimes in Au like to mess with a highly refined sentencing law canon, and human rights by codifying tough sentences, which makes recidivism worse and has no impact at all on another key principle, generally deterrence.

Criminals do not need to be kept like pigs to achieve another purpose of sentencing- protect the community.

 

You did well to point to it.


It's not even a view though, it's fact.

 

True. It is a fact, and an ugly one at that.

 

People say that the prison system in the us is one big business. Good business relies on repeat offenders and I really see no change coming unless people start showing a sincere need to want convicts to become better people

 

Could you imagine the lines to get[HDYT][/HDYT] in if all U.S.prisons where the same as this particular one in Norway.

 

While a bit off-topic, I often wonder how the impact of drugs in American society impacts the number of those in prison, drug addicts who assault and commit burglary,felony murder resulting from crimes to steal drugs or money, individual drug sellers, gang activity around selling drugs and crimes committed while under the influence of drugs.

Of course those committing crimes need to be punished, but politicians would rather demonize people and push for longer sentences than focus on rehabilitation of those addicted, eliminating the sources of drugs going into communities and reviewing disproportionate sentencing guidelines.

 

Aside from the jail lifestyle, you're right. Our criminals live better than our homeless.

Sad, but true.

 

You wouldnt find that people deprive themselves of liberty that easily, actually.

 

I know that. People with sense wouldn't dare commit a crime just to go to a suave prison, but for the sake of living lavish like that, some people would.

 

US violent murder stats per 100,000 about 8.5. Fits between third world countries on about the middle of the list.

Norway is 1.5 at an overestimate. Recent UN study. Very bottom of the list.

General crime statistics mirror this pattern.

Crime is about social patterns and problems that are improved, not worsened by a high standard of attention to quality practise of human rights law.

 

The number I found on Norway was .5 per 100,000 (not including attempts though). Very low. They are busy counting money from their oil. LOL.

 

Okay, but I wasn't talking about stats, nor was I comparing the US vs. Norways' prisons or where the U.S. prison system lies on some list.

I was talking about a prison being quite posh and having better living conditions than our homeless live here in the U.S. Difference is, the prisoners have a roof over their head and food in their mouths, whereas our homeless have to seek shelter, beg for money and try and find their next meal.

 

Yes, that's all linked to the social issues though. The prolems in prison ad the street are the same.

Your statement was emotive, which is fine but logic - the stats- don't support it. That's the same capital politicians use to get on their law and order platform to support their own power, while ignoring good law and genuine sentencing principles.

Nothing gets solved that way. A lot of homeless are those who went to prison young and came out destroyed. Is it then that they should be entitled to their human rights? It's not personal, just that the law and order platform with no substance annoys me. I see it's carnage every day at work.

Thanks for the stats fg, I think 1.5 is that whole region.

 

I agree with the first part of your sentence, but the "Problems in the street part", I don't agree with. If we're talking about non-criminals and people who lost their jobs, can't find a job, don't have anyone to rely on or somewhere to live, that is a social issue, yes, but it has nothing to do with being in prison.

I was just merely pointing out that our prisons have better living conditions than people who are homeless and their situation, period.