New Swedish law: Men could ‘abort’ responsibility for an unborn child.

I absolutely agree. I don't think anyone should be forced into parenthood. Women can opt out, I think men should be able to also. I can certainly appreciate how difficult something like that would be to legalize though, but the effort doesn't diminish my desire for that dream to be realized

 

"Sweden may well have among the most accepting views of abortion in the world — one recent poll found that 84 percent of the country supports a woman's right to have an abortion whenever she wants one. Yet a proposal from a Swedish group to offer men the right to a "legal abortion" of an unborn child has not been met with enthusiasm."


Key word "ABORTION" How is anyone going to compare responsibility to abortion when the guy isn't the father in the first place???

Fuck outta here

 

You've failed to establish a point here because all you did was ask a rhetorical question and end your post by saying "fuck outta here." I guess that's your way of saying you don't want to discuss the fact that men and women don't have equal rights under the law. OK. Great talk.

 

OK, just forget about the child then. Lets fix one problem by creating another. Great troubleshooting.

 

Good points, but someone has to do it. Should it be the state? Money certainly isn't everything when it comes to children but it's still a necessity.

 

No one is forgetting about anything but then again that's a desperate attempt at changing the topic. We all get it, you're in favor of certain people in society having more rights and more privilege than others. That's ok...it's your right to have this opinion. White knights gonna white knight.

 

If you gave a fuck or had half a brain you would have mentioned DNA testing, but instead you reached for examples of perceived inequality. It never actually occurred to you to simply fix the issue.

 

The guys may not initially want the kids but I think they actually come around to supporting them more often than we give credit for.

 

Well we could have a conversation about if anyone ever truly is forced into parenthood anyway. Other than in situations of rape, people have a choice in whether or not they are going to have sex and the consequences that come along with that. (other than in rape) they always have the right to not create the situation to begin with.

The bottom line is....no matter how much people may want equality, it's just not possible. Even if the man and woman were somehow given equal rights, then what about the rights of the child.

There are some things that are simply not equal (or unfair) by design.

 

They have a choice in how much risk they want to take... & that involves honesty from both parties.

If I lie about my vasectomy, I can trick you into pregnancy. Similarly, if you tell me you're on the pill but arent, I can be tricked into fatherhood.

...Then you can use the law to "force" me into financial support to the tune of 17 percent of my income, whether I earn minimum wage or a million...

... But anyway, the state has it right in forcing support because you can't litigate what went on in the relationship & in the bedroom ... Bottom line -- the taxpayer didn't make the child & the child needs financial support, so....

 

You're missing the point. Question was why did the piece use the words "legal abortion" ... Answer is, if the law is passed, you can abort your intention to act as the father... like aborting a mission or a trip etc.

They likely used the word "abortion" simply to evoke a direct comparison to a woman's right to abort... & highlight the hypocrisy of the guy having no say in whether he'll be held responsible as the father or not, while the woman can choose motherhood or not.

(That is, no one is thinking a man can have a baby, in spite of the word "abortion" in there...)

 

Nope. Didn't miss that point at all. You having to pay child support or not is not the same or equal to carrying a baby or giving birth. Abortion rights is about choice, the responsibility component is a byproduct.

Now that's my point.

 

The choice doesn't require honesty. They have a choice as to whether or not they have sex with the person. Doing so opens them up to consequences (risk). The choice to accept risks is made the minute they agree to have sex.

BTW - good luck on the 17%, many states it's more like 25-30%

 

Honestly I really think this should be allowed. I don't think a man has an obligation to be a parent if he has a one night stand and another party decides to keep a child. I also don't think a man in a relationship should get to have the news he is going to be a father or "I forgot to take my birth control."

I have a friend he was seeing a girl and she basically got pregnant with his child to try and force him into a marriage in order to get a green card. Her plan was foiled by a miscarriage.


I really do think men should have the right to opt out of responsibility for a child. In this day and age birth control is available and abortion remains a legal right. In Sweden it costs practically nothing to get an abortion. What I find hilarious are the amount of "Feminists in favor of gender equality." That are opposed to this bill.