New Swedish law: Men could ‘abort’ responsibility for an unborn child.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/03/08/men-should-have-the-right-to-abort-responsibility-for-an-unborn-child-swedish-political-group-says/

Slow down, fellas. Let's not all rush the passport office at once.

 

You did see a few lines in the proposal was not met with enthusiasm, right? It ain't going nowhere

Click baiting. Lol

 

Yeah, pretty much what I thought, too. ...lol

 

:smt043

 

So I wonder if that law will pass Parliment? I remember a very femenist MP over there. When I was in Sweden years back I remember a editorial cartoon of her holding a number of men's members. That's Sweden

 

Whether it fails to go anywhere or not, I hope if nothing else, it sparks real discussion re: men's rights (and current lack-thereof) during pregnancy. It may not be a popular topic, but it's one that's incredibly important in working towards true equality amongst women AND men.

 

I don't understand why they chose to add the word "abortion" to the proposed law. In reality it's just waiving of legal and financial responsibility.

This video seems to break it down a little better.


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That's the equality mindset. Somewhere someone probably believes a man can really have a baby. Others rather simply pretend than believe. It's all the same.

 

Probably to establish equivalency and hint at hypocrisy.

...Like, why can the woman abdicate her responsibility and have control over her reproduction (through abortion), while the guy can't, though it's both their kid?

However, there's one party that can abdicate responsibility easier than them all -- the state (ie the taxpayer). ...Which is why a law like this will never work.

The state is going to make one parent raise the child (and pay) and the other simply pay. Doesn't matter which role is filled by the man or the woman. 'Cause the taxpayer didn't make that baby.

...Of course, as last resort, the state pays (orphanage). But they'd rather avoid it, so when called into the picture, they force the parents to handle the matter.

Whether it's fair or not (& to who) doesn't count. What are they gonna do, litigate who trapped who? (Sometimes it's the dude's fault, especially if he simply wifes the wrong chick.)

As a guy who was trapped, I understand the state's standpoint. Parents (especially fathers) need to warn their sons in no uncertain terms about such things. Learn to handle your testosterone.

 

If you could get pregnant you could have an abortion. Where's the hypocrisy in that?

You can't get pregnant therefore existing laws on pregnancy don't apply to you. Simple as that.

 

But those laws affect you so shouldn't you have a say in your own reproductive future?

 

The right to abortion doesn't affect me at all, this proposed law isn't about reproductive rights but financial responsibility. So like thump said why even mention it?

There are natural advantages to being a man as well as there is for being a woman. Attempting to make laws to even it out is just silly. This is like complaining about life not being fair. What next? Maybe they should make laws to help all of us guys that can't play ball like LeBron James, his natural athletic ability is unfair. So let's find a way to make this right.

It's her body and she has no legal obligation to you if she is not your wife; therefore it's just silly to make a law that compensates you for not being able to end a pregnancy if you can't get knocked up to begin with.

There is risk in everything, she takes a risk with you and you take one with her. There is no reason to whine and cry just because the risk you take is not exactly the same or "equal."

Laws are supposed to protect natural rights, not compensate people for something that nature never gave them to begin with.

Getting the wrong woman pregnant is not much more different than marrying the wrong woman.

YOU did it. One bad decision or mistake is not much different than the other.

 

I completely disagree. Marrying the wrong woman has a relatively easy fix, that both men and women have the legal choice to do...divorce. Get the wrong woman pregnant, the path of your future lies in her hands and her hands alone. No choice but to abide by her wishes, whether she wants to keep it or abort it. I don't think it's unnatural to expect laws to protect men's reproductive rights just as they protect women's. You may not physically carry the child, but beyond that you're on the hook just as much as mom is.

 

That's not going to change though. It's never going to be a situation where a man can force a woman to carry a child.

Nor is any state or country going to allow either parent off the hook. It becomes about the child and not about the parent. The child has the right to be supported by both parents and most communities will not create intentional orphans.

The only thing that may change is how some states (currently) have registries where men can go and register so that IF a woman he's had sex with turns up pregnant he has a right to know and speak up in regards to adoption. But even at best, that doesn't work well.

 

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

That's the sound of you COMPLETELY missing the point of the discussion. Consider the following:

Women may abort the child before it is born, they may surrender the child for adoption without notifying or identifying the father or they may surrender the infant under Safe Haven laws and walk away from all responsibility and obligation. Women cannot be forced or coerced into parenthood, but they are legally allowed to force men into financing their reproductive choices. In many states/nations, men can be forced into financial responsibility for children whom they did not biologically father. As long as a particular man is identified as the father, he will be held accountable. In many territories, paternity fraud is legal. In no US state is legal paternal surrender permitted without the express agreement of the mother. This also applies to other nations.

I'm not sure if you're trying to white knight for some women, you prefer women having more rights than you, or you just simply didn't think this through.

 

The way I see it. It's about the child that has the right to be supported. It didn't ask to be here. The guy made his choice. He took a risk, it went bad, now it's his problem. I don't agree with women that want to get pregnant by guys that they know don't really want them, but in casual relations it's common for one person to like the other more. It's rarely equal. Whoever doesn't know this hasn't been paying attention. She has her interests, he has his. If he fails at protecting his own then what should he expect?

"It's all fair in love and war" How many people haven't heard that??????

I realize that I have been lucky. I don't judge guys that have been mistreated by their baby mamas, but expecting society to step in and cover you when you fuck up is just plain childish. Wanting the opportunity to fuck up without consequences is even worse. I can dig it, but I'm not willing to actually act on it and vote that way, nor do I want it to become a reality. I have these dysfunctional thoughts like everyone else, but dwelling on them or taking action is another ball game. No thanks.

Easy fix huh? I'd rather not find out.


Coming up next up next: It's easier for a man to give a woman an STD than vise versa. Lets come up with a law to fix that inequality.

 

I thought we were talking about letting guys walk away when they are the
Biological father. Of course I don't agree with that nonsense, but how is allowing guys to walk away when they are the father a fix for that problem? Riddle me that?

Edit: How is allowing the guy to walk away a fix for any of those problems? I'll wait.

 

Hulks definition of white knight: Not participating in the circle jerk

 

We're discussing unborn children.
Women can freely abdicate parenthood. Women, in the West, have more rights/freedoms than men, this is especially true concerning parental and reproductive rights. This is an undisputed fact. All people, regardless of gender, should have equal rights.

In any event, it's becoming painfully obvious you didn't read the article. Perhaps you should try that before commenting?

Because women have that same right today.

The way you fix social problems is establishing a system of laws where both genders (read: all people) have equal rights under the law.

 

I get your point. To the bold...I agree that a child deserves to be supported but I feel strongly that someone forced into parenthood may not be the best person to offer that support. Supporting a child is so much more than just money. I'm 100% against forcing anyone, regardless of gender, into parenthood. As a woman, I have the choice of when I want to parent. It bothers me that men don't have that same choice but I do understand the larger ramifications of providing "opt out" rights to men.