Long Term Relationships and their discourse!

The appeal: can commitment and/or devotion coexist without the culmination of sexual rapacity!? Would commitment and devotion be interdependent for the existence of relationships and Love, or are one of these two entities independent from Love!? Does anyone ascribe to one entity over the other if they are independent!?

 

Another one of these threads :lol:...

and, the answer is, maybe. Sometimes, and sometimes not, depending on whom is involved in the relationship.

 

7Seven, your question reads like a class assignment. Would you care to rephase it everyday english?

 

Sardonic and Graphic: I just posted a thread about this this week, I dont know why it was put up again.

committment is different than devotion, and true committment is not independent of the act, feeling of love.

Thank you Graphic, sounds like he is trying really hard to sound smart. I cant believe he just goes around talking like dictionary.

 

It's a simple question really.

If commitment is truly independent to that of devotion, then, what is devotion interdependent upon!? And can we have these two entities without sexual 'pleasure'?

Damn, the attacks start already eh!? You couldn't warm them up first eh!? You haven't seen me use fancy wording here fool, so check yourself! Secondly, I haven't found a single post of yours to this effect, the only thing I see of yours, come to the effect of objectifying women and promoting senseless violence, whilst contradicting your conservative ideals. Typical American! I keep forgetting that this country is full of imbecilic barbarians full of ideologues rubbish.

In fact, reread this sentence and tell me if it makes any bit of sense!?

What ARE YOU commitmenting to!? Love!? Sexual pleasure!? Your conceptual connotations are not even multi facet, nor complex, you are just not making any logical sense! You make a bold statement, but do not back up it with any knowledge. How exactly IS devotion different than that of commitment!? What are you commitmenting yourself to!? The sex or the love!? Why can you not have both commitment and devotion in a long term relationship!?

 

bravo, you are now whining? you dont even know what you are talking about, just coming in to flap your gums about nothingness.

 

The only person who doesn't know what they are talking about is YOU! You haven't even answered my question, in fact, avoid it all because you know, challenging your belief system all together can cause intellectual myopia. Something prevalent with most Americans, so I shall call you an psycho pathological Oreo. "Me moronic Southern American with poor education, like big guns that go boom, monster trucks that go zoom, praise the Lord, my savior."

The average Southern American IQ is 74, I suspect, when someone is using words that are complex your brain shuts down.

 

Honestly 7Seven, I've read the question over and over again, but I still dont understand. Commitment independent TO that of devotion??? ... What OF devotion? What aspect of devotion? ... In your question, you use the words independent and interdependent. Which is it? ...

Maybe you should share your thoughts on the subject or supply a backdrop to the question, but please resist the temptation to become overly philosophical otherwise, you'll lose "simple minded" folk like myself. Alternatively, you could try posting on the usenet. There are scores of forums with experts addressing the subject of love and relationships at the level enjoy. (E.g.: alt.philosophy or sci.philosophy.meta)

 

GraphicsRat,

:lol: Oh!!! I do not think you are simple minded and not even close. I am sure there is alot of complex things going about in your mind and you are very perceptive about them.....

Well, I am assuming that commitment is interdependent to Love and independent to devotion. Independent on this premise being: free from condition. I am also assuming that relationships MAY come in two forms: commitment or devotion. Possibly, if commitment is mutually dependent to Love, than, devotion is mutually dependent on some entity. Maybe, Loyalty! Loyalty, to your significant other, or to making the relationship work against all odds, etc, etc.

To progress the argument even further, is it safe to say, only if these two entities are indeed independent, then wouldn't commitment possibly be selfish and narcissistic!? But we haven't yet decided if these two entities are indeed independent now have we!?

 

I'll ponder on your response, but for a start, I think you should look into whats called "The Triangular theory of love"

Read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love
http://www.answers.com/topic/triangular-theory-of-love
http://www.richardatkins.co.uk/atws/document/280.html

 

NOT the only one who doesnt know what you are talking about. It seems that it has nothing to do with how complex it is, but how you are wording your question. and since you are so brilliant, then please show where you got the information that the IQ of Southern Americans is 74.

Seems your home nation isnt the brightest bulb in the socket either.

why would devotion be interdependent on anything? That statement makes no sense.

love and committment are of equal measure, while devotion can be apart of it or it doesnt have to be.

devotion is a deep connection and duty to someone or something, however, committment is connected with love.

 

Praising a proud person is just like reminding a peacock how beautiful its body is, dont you think?

 

:lol:

 

There was no faint praise within his post, if one was to leave it up to personal perspective, it can come off as an insult. But wait, I didn't take as an insult. Did this logic escape you!? Wait...I forgot, you do not operate on logic, you operate of "fact-n-debate" but without presenting any knowledge to your credit, and now you have resorted to taking SNIPER SHOT AT THE MAN like your butt buddy Tuckerred!

http://specials.rediff.com/getahead/2004/dec/15sd1.htm

This list is telling, if you were to do further research you will come to a conclusion, of that, most of these institutions were founded by Englishmen and British Americans. Everything you know: Politics, Autonomy and Economy, language IS ALL BRITISH. Your country was FOUNDED BY MOSTLY ENGLISHMEN. The universal language is that of British tongue. I think this says a lot about the intellect of the British. America will always be a British colony and second best to educational standards. What impact does America have on the world, which wasn't British to start with!?

Since you obviously lack critical thinking skills, I will critique your illogical inductive argument:

This statement in the latter, contradicts the former statement.

You stated by the first assertion, devotion may not be interdependent on anything, then, your last assertion states its interdependent on "deep connection and duty." Methinks, the only person whom doesn't know what they are talking about IS YOU. "Me moronic Southern American with poor education, like big guns that go boom, monster trucks that go zoom, praise the Lord, my savior." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

yep thats me!! love my guns, trucks and God, NOthing wrong with that, praise the lord

 

I think it's interesting that you brought up the "Triangular Love Theory", but I have taken the Occam's Razor approach on my theory about relationships.

By this meaning we can conclude with certainty most do not achieve a relationship with commitment AND devotion.

By these concepts, one may conclude commitment is indeed selfish and narcissistic, in that, most of our emotions and tendencies must be validated for these relationships to continue.

 

Well currently I am in a long distance relationship (if you consider 2 hours by car LONG distance). I live near the city and she lives kind of upstate. it's a 2 hour drive by highway and many times she has wanted to end it since she wants someone she can see everyday, whereas with me we can only really see each other on weekends. To me it is worth it since I love her so much but I don't know if it's worth it to her.

I've also had a long distance relationship where the girl lived in Atlanta and I was here, so that was hard too, yet ironically, that girl seemed more committed than the one I am with now...so that says something I guess. They can work if you have 2 people willing to sacrifice certain things and 2 people who are committed to each other 100%. You also need trust, communication, and honesty. Basically all the things you need in a regular relationship, except you just need a little more of it since one of the most important elements we all want from dating someone (physical affection) is missing due to the separation.

A big issue is the temptation to cheat, even with someone who isn't better looking than the one dating, only because you are desperate to have someone to hold and kiss and touch, or more. That's the biggest issue to me...cheating, because your partner is never around and they could be fucking every person in the world and you don't know.

 

Hmmm.... Very interesting...

But first, can I ask, if deviant and obsessive sexual desire can coexist with commitment and/or devotion? Is a person with severe sexual displacements even able to comprehend, let alone speak on matters of devotion and/or commitment? The morbidly egocentric and perverse posts of one particular young poster (you pointed this out a long time ago in another thread) lead me to ask this.

 

Well i guess the replies of everyone else proves me(and Sardonic's) point. :lol: