Kramer's Racial Tirade

I really am not mad at Michael Richards. I don't particularly care (in an emotional sense) that he doesn't like blacks. However, he is in a high position of power, with lots of money to influence politicians, and to fund white supremacist groups. Also, people with hate often act on it.

Consider this, you know that people hate you. When speaking of merely intraracial violence, we can see that this can be dangerous. I read an article last month or so about a white teen girl killing and dismembering another white girl who she considers her rival, with no remorse. There is been plenty of conversation in the black community about the price of hatred. Many young black men (and this includes those black men on the right track) are killed by other black men who are jealous. Look at the deaths of Tupac and Biggie. "boohoo i'm hated, so what"? Tell that to the Holocaust survivors.

Hate is not something that we can just throw to the wind because people do act on their hate, whether or is making you lose your job, preventing you from getting a job, defamation, discrimination, or violence. Not saying that no one has the right to hate. But if someone hates you, you'd better be vigilant.

 

SG, I don't approve of anyone using it and have posted on more than one occasion to a particular BM to "Bury That Sucka". For obvious reasons, whites are itching to employ the N-word more freely so they are now crying foul because "some" blacks continue using it amongst themselves. Nevermind whites/nonblacks have their own slurs and use them exclusively with each other. I've heard Jews and latinos use common language together but don't see it as an invitation to join in. Whites are quick to assume we are all the same and can't imagine that some of us have the temerity to be offended by these epithets. There've been instances of whites using the N-word lately only to turn around and say it was basically taken out context. I think those who foolishly believe this word is not harmful are in for a very rude awakening as whites/nonblacks become even more boldfaced with their bigotry. We are the ones training them in a host of ways that it's ok to disrespect our particular group in the country. Before long they will be protesting for us to accept their usage of this heinous word. It's also interesting to watch as they focus simply on the use of the N-word and not the entire diatribe. He said something about "that's what you get for interrupting a white man". He's also done blackface too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVt6eoKB9sw

Here's another good example of someone "slipping".

 

Soul, I don't condone the word. I'm just wondering how double standards could be applied to the Kramer case considering the way he used it. Yes, you're right though, you can never tell how it is being used from a white person to a black person.

 

I could never be friends with one attempting to lull me into accepting their usage of the N-word.

 

Lexington,

While I understand what you're saying, your entire post reeks of "us and them" and that doesn't seem to leave much room for cooperation and unity between races!

You say that you don't want whites to assume that blacks are all the same, yet your whole message is full of "white are like this", "whites think this", "whites think that"... isn't that a sweeping generalization as well?

 

PearlGirl, you never impressed me as someone who ever had a problem with "sweeping generalizations". I suggest you raise these same issues above with fellow whites first before you call yourself taking them up with me.

 

Your post definitely confirms the obvious about Richards, Lexington, especially with the Blackface link. Now, he actually had the nerve to go and cry on Jesse Jackson's shoulder for help with his Hollyweird money and fake public apology, which he never really made on his own to the actual public. Just like a rabid Hollyweird bigot to go off and get the biggest black power hypocrite of all black power hypocrites to defend him, who is also an obvious racist.



Oh, and Madscientist, I get what you're saying in your reply, and I respect it, as well as agree with it to some extent, but this sort of thing can't always get swepted under the rug as an incident with someone who is in trouble of their own ignorance who needs to be pitied somehow.

 

Personally, if I had ever met a white or non-black person who tried that on me, the conversation would end between me and them very quickly.

 

Oh ok... so, it's up to me and my "fellow whites" to fix everything alone... I guess only whites can be racist.... hmmm.. interesting.... :roll:

 

In America they can be but other folks can be racist but they have no power to really act on it. Hope that came out right.

 

When blacks and other minorities say that they cannot be racist, it is wrong; by definition. I know that what they really mean to say is that they do not have the power to oppress whites they way they (their people) have been oppressed by whites. Racism is one topic that, despite what most think, is not understood by the majority of Americans, even blacks, surprisingly enough. Racism is a doctrine or dogma where one believes that one's race is superior to the others, due to perceived supremacy explicitly outlined by things such as cultural or individual achievement. It says nothing about power and position in society. So, if we were to go by that definition, anyone who understands basic 3rd grade English would agree with me that members of all races can indeed be racists. Racism is not the same thing as racial discrimination, despite what most people think. Racism is the belief. Racial discrimination is when you treat people based on stereotypes that are unfolded from those beliefs. Social discrimination, Jim Crow and slavery are racial discriminatory practices that have been defended by invoking racism. Even some people who make use of the word "racialism" (one which i highly disagree with) say it is entirely different to racism and morons like David Duke, Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, Don Black and many more have declared that they are "racialists" and not racists because they believe that differences between the "races" exist. That is, indeed, the so-called "meaning" of racialism. Cut the fucking shit, okay. Racism has many definitions and one of them is the belief that there are characteristics, abilities and qualities specific to each race. If you open up a dictionary and look up the word "racialist/m" it says there "racism". It does not give you the "definition" of racialism so please, get that fucking bullcrap outta her. All of that is racism and it can be perpetuated by everyone, including black people. So all of those who claim that blacks cannot be racists, i beg to differ. Louis Farrakhan, whilst being a man that i deeply respect and honor so much, would be a racist if we were to go by the literal definitions. I feel that most people need to analyze the theory of racism before using it so as not to sound foolish whilst doing so.

But not to be naive, 99.9% of the time, when minorities say that we cannot be racists to whites, i happen to know what they intend to say, even though i do not agree with what they have actually said. What they really mean to say is that minorities cannot do the things that white people have done to non-whites whilst invoking racism. Before i go into that, let's look at the different types of racism. There is scientific racism, which is the use of science to justify and support racist beliefs, one often invoked by the right. I'm sure you have a broad knowledge of it all so i'm not even going to dissect it now. Whilst 99.9% of those who have done it have been white, blacks and minorities are fully capable of doing it. Then there is individual racial discrimination which is acting on pre-formed personal opinions about individuals based on the person's race. That, also, is done by everyone. There also is crypto racism, which is basically hidden racism, but is unintentional. Many white liberals have been accused of this one but again, anyone can do that but the majority of people who do it, since they are in the position to do so, are whites. Then there is institutional racism, one which 98% of African-Americans would agree exists. This is one where government policies, corporations and organizations make discriminatory practices that are virtually certain to have at least some effect on the life of the subordinates. Now that is the only realistic type of racism which only whites are capable of committing but sadly enough, it's the one that affects us the most. Black people cannot deny whites loans, refuse them into our schools, experiment them for research on disease, racially profiled; the list goes on. Only whites are capable of doing it since they are the only ones in position to do so. We cannot because we don't even have any real political power to oppress anyone.

There are other not-so-known forms, or at least discussed, forms of racism such as same-race racism which is prevalent in the African-American, Asian and Latino community. This is when individuals from one racial group associate behaviors and/or appearance of one racial group and compare negatively or positively with theirs. I really do not need to explain this to you guys as you know this but in the aforementioned communities, it is an unwritten rule that the lighter you are, the higher in social status you are. Lastly, there is one which is not as talked about as the others which is economic racism and that is social disparity and discrimination caused by acts of the past but still adversely affects the present generation. Again, another type of racism that only foolish people persistently deny. Based on anthropology, it has been a foregone conclusion that slavery has and continues to affect African-Americans. Whites, as well as Jews, benefitted hugely from slavery and whenever i hear a bunch of white people talk about hard work and say we ought to "work hard more", i just want to beat them so hard they'll think 5 people attacked them. What the fuck do you know about hard work? Did any of your ancestors pick cotton for years, get dragged in chains to work for basic food and no pay? Did any of your ancestors build things that they were never credited for? And you tell me hard work. Get the fuck out of her with that horse shit. Similarly, the huge genocide of Native Americans, staunchly defended by racist past presidents such as Andrew Jackson, continues to affect them today seeing as they don't even make up 5% of the population. Racism can indeed be done by everyone but the most severe forms, unfortunately, can be done only by whites and so when white people talk about how violent we are, just tell them everything i have mentioned here and see the lame ass comebacks they'd give you. That is, of course, if they have any to begin with. Tell them about the more than 4,743 lynchings that happened within 1882 and 1968. Tell them about what the Nazis did to the Jews. Tell them what the Europeans did to the Native Americans. Tell them about the police brutality that shook African-Americans with fear and still does today (Sean Bell, anyone?) And i bet they wouldn't come up with another point to make.




Now that, Injera70 and everyone else, is how racism should be looked at, as opposed to the bullshit stance 95% of Americans adopt.

 

Cris thats what i was trying to get at but I am not a wordsmith such as yourself.

 

Excellent good post, Chris.

:smt038

 

Me thrice. All that's needed to add to your latest post is what Pearl had already contributed. :smt038 :smt038 ...

along with this:



:smt023



and, finally this:



artyman:



because I am absolutely sure that the mere thought of any white bigot making attempts to try and dispute any part of your post in whatever way they could stay up all night to come with, makes you feel like chuckling. :lol:

 

I'm not saying that at all but it's a good start to help clean up your own backyard first. For those who are always ready and willing to deny racism is very much in still in existence you sure can identify it and point it out in others when you perceive the shoe is on the other foot. hmmmm

 

Very valid point.

 

Pot ... Kettle ... Black :roll:

It wouldn't hurt if Sardonic & Lexington would at least once in a while follow their own advices.

 

Oh, please. You're a fine to talk, based on what you tend to say. Show me what 'advices' I don't follow, since you think you know me so well.

 

WHOA mofo..

nigger is not the only thing he said..He also said if it was 50 years ago he'd be hanging us..DO YOU CONDONE THOSE WORDS AS WELL?

I bet if a Black comic told a Jewish heckler he'd like to toss them all in ovens NOT A SINGLE JEW would make excuses for him...LIKE YOU ARE DOING..

Just because SOME Black people call one another that word does not mean we should make excuses for racist B.S from sissies like Richards.

 

moved (I initially posted this under thr wrong thread):

Many Whites have adopted the false notion that they're as much a victim of racism as other minorities. It's a pathetic attempt to refuse to acknowledge the history of racism and ongoing inequities in this country.

The double standard they allude to in reference to the term "nigger" is merely the pursuit of a justification for they're own racist behavior.

"How come they can say it, but I can't?"

Lets get one thing straight: A Black person calling another black person nigger is not an act of hate. It's wrong, it represents irresponsible and ignorant behavior.

Context comes heavily into play.

A White person (i.e, Kramer) who uses the word has a totally different intent. It is a tool for hate, it is used to offend and dehumanize the Black individual. This is blatant and obvious to all, but many would like to carry on this disengenuous dialogue in reference to race relations.

Shyt, if the black person jumped off a goddam bridge would they want to do it too? If that black person engaged in other self destructive behavior, would these people be so willing to follow suit?

If the answer is no, then why the sense of exclusion because you feel that you're not entitled to the word nigger?

Anyone who honestly just saw people as people wouldn't dare propose that argument.