Japan’s Sexual Apathy Is Endangering The Global Economy

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  1. VitaminRich

    VitaminRich New Member


    Japan’s sexual apathy is endangering the global economy

    People in Japan are so averse to romantic relationships that the country's media even has a name for it: sekkusu shinai shokogun, or "celibacy syndrome," according to a widely circulated Guardian story on the country's low rates of marriage, childbearing and even sex.

    But this is more than a story about Japan and its cultural quirks: It's a story about the global economy. Japan is the world's third-largest economy, a crucial link in global trade and a significant factor everyone else's economic well-being. It owns almost as much U.S. debt as does China. It's a top trading partner of the U.S., China and lots of other countries. The Japanese economy is in serious enough trouble that it could set the rest of us back. And the biggest source of that trouble is demographic: Japanese people aren't having enough kids to sustain a healthy economy. One big reason they're having fewer kids is that they're not as interested in dating or marrying one another, in part because they're less interested in sex.

    Here are a few of the statistics, some from the Guardian story and others from a 2011 report by Japan's population center:

    • Extremely high numbers of Japanese do not find sex appealing. 45 percent of women and 25 percent of men, ages 16 to 24, are "not interested in or despised sexual contact."

    • More than half of Japanese are single. 49 percent of unmarried women and 61 of unmarried men, ages 18 to 34, are not in any kind of romantic relationship.

    • In every age group, the percentage of Japanese men and women who are not in a romantic relationship has been increasing steadily since the 1990s.

    • About a quarter of Japanese don't want a romantic relationship. 23 percent of women and 27 percent of men say they are not interested in any kind of romantic relationship.

    • More than a third of childbearing-age Japanese have never had sex: 39 percent of women and 36 percent of men, ages 18 to 34. That number hasn't actually changed much over the last decade, but it is unusually high.

    • The Japanese population institute projects that women in their early 20s have a 25 percent chance of never marrying and a 40 percent chance of never having kids.

    These trends are not new. Since 2006, Japanese women have complained of soshoku danshi or "herbivore men," so called for their lack of interest in the opposite sex. There's an entire industry in Japan that helps men who eschew romantic lives cope with loneliness through relationship-simulating video games and even holiday retreats. See Chico Harlan's great 2010 piece on this.

    Japanese women, for their part, often avoid romantic relationships because Japanese laws and social norms can make it extremely difficult for women to have both a family and a career. Japan is extremely unusual in that it is highly educated and wealthy but still has some of the worst systemic gender inequality in the world; it has a European-style economy but South Asian social family mores. Professional women are stuck in the middle of that contradiction. It's not just that day-care programs are scarce: Women who become pregnant or even just marry are so expected to quit work that they can come under enormous social pressure to do so and often find that career advancement becomes impossible. There's a word for married working women: oniyome, or "devil wives."

    Because they're forced to choose, inevitably lots of women who might otherwise have a family and a job are only seeking the latter. That sense of pessimism about marriage appears to be partially driving the lack of interest in romantic relationships, and thus in sex. This chart shows common reasons expressed for staying single, by Japanese men and women ages 25 to 34. The shaded bars represent the subsequent national surveys, from 1987 through 2011:

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    Reasons Japanese women give for staying single. (National Institute of Population and Social Security Research)

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    Reasons Japanese man give for staying single. (National Institute of Population and Social Security Research)​

    This all has major and potentially catastrophic implications for the economy. Because Japanese people aren't having kids – which is both partially a product of, and perhaps driven by some of the same factors as, their relative disinterest in sex or sexual relationships – the population is shrinking. It's shrinking very, very fast. The Japanese population dropped by 212,000 people last year, the largest decrease on record. The birth rate is still falling, with only 1.03 million live births last year, a record low and dramatic decrease from 1.21 million the year before.

    Here are two charts showing Japan's shrinking population. The first shows you the projected population over time and the second shows you the rate of change, which is just getting into negative territory:

    Go to site to view chart: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/22/japans-sexual-apathy-is-endangering-the-global-economy/?tid=hybrid_control_strip_3

    This isn't just bad because it means the Japanese economy will have fewer workers and thus be less productive. It's setting up an economic time bomb that will go off before long. People in Japan tend to live a long time; elderly Japanese are expensive to care for because they spend so many years in retirement and because they're accustomed to a high standard of living and medical care. For any economy to stay healthy, there need to be enough taxpayers to support all the retirees. But Japan's population is shrinking and aging simultaneously, which means that the number of old people is skyrocketing just as the base of taxpayers shrinks.

    Here's a famous chart showing the age distribution of Japan's population in 1950, 2007 and projected for 2050. The 1950 chart shows a baby boom, lots of young people. The 2007 chart shows a healthy-ish economy, with lots of retirees but also lots of working-age people to support it. The right-most chart is a catastrophe. With almost one retiree for every working-age person, that's hardly sustainable.

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    So far, this all might look like a big problem for the Japanese economy and for regular Japanese people, but not a story with major implications for those of us in the United States or elsewhere in the global economy. But here's the big problem: Japan is one of the most indebted governments in the world. Right now, Japanese public debt is 200 percent of its GDP – more even than Greece. Japan will be okay as long as it can keep growing but, with its demographic time-bomb, it's hard to see how that's possible in the long term.

    Last year, economists Peter Boone and Simon Johnson warned in The Atlantic that Japan "could face a wave of insolvencies, triggering a broader loss of confidence" and setting off a financial crisis greater than even the Euro's. Investors could one day look at the country's aging and shrinking tax base and decide that Japan's public debt might not actually be such a safe investment, triggering a loss of confidence and possible insolvency. Given that Japan owns $1.1 trillion in United States debt, a Japanese financial collapse could be very scary for us as well. Perhaps worst of all, that could endanger China's already tenuous economic slow-down; China is Japan's largest trading partner and the two economies are closely linked.

    Officials in Japan are keenly aware of how endangered they are by the country's low birth rate. National programs encourage young men and women to get together and politicians often debate how to create more Japanese babies. One prominent legislator, Seiko Noda, has worked on the issue since soon after taking office in 1993. In February, Noda proposed that Japan lift the birth rate by simply banning abortion. The proposal may have been facetious, but it was certainly desperate – and maybe appropriately.
     
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  2. Gorath

    Gorath Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't be surprised by these findings. I think the educational aspect of Japanese society is also a big part, it is very rigidly structured. A woman I once met, who came from Panama told me that the Japanese are super freaks when it comes to sex. Then there is the gravure programs(girls looking cute while doing mundane things) that is shown on late night television, the porno industry and prostitution in the larger cities. Tokyo, Japan is the safest city in the world for a woman who lives alone and the laws are strict which is a decrease in serious crimes. I may be wrong. Back in the mid-90's, the worst problem that the Japanese had was bullying.
     
  3. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Red blooded men and women in any society usually find a way.

    Why is this only a problem in Japan and not Korea, China or most of Asia??

    Add the fact that Japan is a such a homogenous society that frowns upon foreigners and race-mixing, they've got a real problem over there.

    I find it hard to believe a third of Japanese between 18 and 34 have never had sex.:smt103
     
  4. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Yeah that doesn't make sense to me unless they're all robots.
    I do think a lot of people are not having kids like they use to, at least those who actually do family planning. It's too distracting and fricking expensive.
     
  5. LA

    LA Well-Known Member

    For some reason, none of this surprises me.
     
  6. Satchmo

    Satchmo New Member

    Ha funny LA
     
  7. Satchmo

    Satchmo New Member

    Pretty fascinating statistics though. Good article. thanks
     
  8. lippy

    lippy Well-Known Member

    This is fascinating...China does have a similar problem in that there are not enough women...they are intersted in sex but are lacking available partners....something the Chinese created when they decided to limit births and then the preference for boys
     
  9. orejon4

    orejon4 Well-Known Member

    I wonder if this is fostered by all the extreme relative wealth and obsession with consumer society. Shopping is like the national pastime. It also makes me wonder if growing consumerism in this country will slowly lead to the same thing. We already see some examples of this with people increasingly living online lives. Remember the Bruce Willis movie "Surrogates"?
     
  10. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    God that movie was bad but you have to wonder is it really a "bad" thing or a new thing. People complain about population control well here it is without murdering people who are already here. I literally can't wait for sex robots. Machines that will lessen the chance of Stds or unwanted pregnancies. How is that not a great thing for humanity?
     
  11. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    Lol

    It all makes sense now...that japan would be leading the charge for sex robots
     
  12. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    At worse it would make people more distant and even less likely to relate to others. At best some people would use it in lieu of whacking off and it won't make a bit of difference in the overall picture of humanity.
     
  13. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    If that robot can give robo head and make bacon eggs and grits on a Sunday mornin, I'm done
     
  14. LA

    LA Well-Known Member

    Agreed.
     
  15. LA

    LA Well-Known Member

    If the head right Biggie there e'eryrnight
     
  16. Morning Star

    Morning Star Well-Known Member

    This. This. This.

    Ultimately, you'd lose a part of your humanity with your inability to communicate and handle conflict, which is always ever-evolving and uncertain and to think there's an automatic, structured way of retreating, you'd only lose the purpose of the human experience.

     
  17. orejon4

    orejon4 Well-Known Member

    I'm agnostic on this question. I'm interested to see where it all leads, though.
     
  18. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    i agree with first part. people already having a gard time relating due their deep love for computers. its gonna be really unhealthy
     
  19. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    Japan has a solid market for relationship games already, where you have a virtual boyfriend or girlfriend

    They're not messin around with this no real sex thing

    Which is sad because nothing gets me hotter than real women :lol:

    That soft skin...those real breasts you can touch :smt103
     
  20. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    wow....maybe i need to japan...their woman maybe a little thirsty.

    lol
     

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