Jalen Rose - Arrested for DUI

Inner Beauty · Apr 3, 2011

TERRASTAR18 said: ↑

but to me i felt it was unnecessary, he could have had a private conversation with jalen, but writing that, he gives credence to those who want to attack jalen. it turns it into grant vs jalen instead of a conversation about duke, which is needed considering their recent history.
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That's true...

LaydeezmanCris said: ↑

I think all this "Jalen was right, no Grant was right" stuff is neither here nor there. The real issue for me is the question of black identity. Jalen Rose may not have articulated himself properly in the documentary, but what he was trying to say - that Duke only recruit certain kids of black players who don't fit the "thug" image, with like a trillion tattoos for example - is spot on. Look, Duke are a great basketball program but the simple truth is that many (black) Americans view them with so much disdain because of their elitism and their largely unearned status as "America's Team". Think of Duke as the modern version of the 1980s Boston Celtics. Keep in mind that back in the 1980s, virtually all of the East Coast media routinely favored the Boston Celtics, especially when they met the mostly black Los Angeles Lakers. Many blacks view these so called "elite" teams with suspicion, so for them, the sight of a black person trying to curry favor, or become a part of them is tantamount to heresy. Make of that what you will, but I'm simply stating the facts neutrally.

Obviously, Jalen Rose now admits that his feelings of antipathy towards Grant Hill were mostly inspired by envy and jealousy, given that Grant had everything Rose could only dream of - a stable, comfortable home with two Ivy-League educated parents - so he went to painful lengths to make clear that was his feeling AT THE TIME. Now he's alot more worldly, experienced and frankly, more intellectual, he has realized the intellectually shallow premise of such ideas.

However, I really dislike the way the media made Jalen Rose to be a villain, especially with them implying he called Grant Hill an Uncle Tom. No. What he said was that he viewed players like Grant Hill who went to play for Duke as Uncle Toms. The historical accuracy of that slur aside, Rose does have a point. I love and respect Grant Hill as a player and a man; inspite of all he went through with injuries and what have you, he never had a chip on his shoulder, is a graceful human being and does so many good things you don't hear on ESPN. But there is no question he has profited from being deconstructed as the binary opposite of the Allen Iversons of the world. In other words, he has played the Martin Luther King to Allen Iverson's Malcolm X; he has largely gotten by most of his career by being the good folly; the "good Negro", if you will. In all fairness, most of it probably through no conscious choice of his, but it feeds the perception really.

I think this entire debate misses the entire point about black identity and what it means to "be black"
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Great post!

Raul Sinclair · Apr 5, 2011

LaydeezmanCris said: ↑

I think all this "Jalen was right, no Grant was right" stuff is neither here nor there. The real issue for me is the question of black identity. Jalen Rose may not have articulated himself properly in the documentary, but what he was trying to say - that Duke only recruit certain kids of black players who don't fit the "thug" image, with like a trillion tattoos for example - is spot on. Look, Duke are a great basketball program but the simple truth is that many (black) Americans view them with so much disdain because of their elitism and their largely unearned status as "America's Team". Think of Duke as the modern version of the 1980s Boston Celtics. Keep in mind that back in the 1980s, virtually all of the East Coast media routinely favored the Boston Celtics, especially when they met the mostly black Los Angeles Lakers. Many blacks view these so called "elite" teams with suspicion, so for them, the sight of a black person trying to curry favor, or become a part of them is tantamount to heresy. Make of that what you will, but I'm simply stating the facts neutrally.

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Obviously, Jalen Rose now admits that his feelings of antipathy towards Grant Hill were mostly inspired by envy and jealousy, given that Grant had everything Rose could only dream of - a stable, comfortable home with two Ivy-League educated parents - so he went to painful lengths to make clear that was his feeling AT THE TIME. Now he's alot more worldly, experienced and frankly, more intellectual, he has realized the intellectually shallow premise of such ideas.

However, I really dislike the way the media made Jalen Rose to be a villain, especially with them implying he called Grant Hill an Uncle Tom. No. What he said was that he viewed players like Grant Hill who went to play for Duke as Uncle Toms. The historical accuracy of that slur aside, Rose does have a point. I love and respect Grant Hill as a player and a man; inspite of all he went through with injuries and what have you, he never had a chip on his shoulder, is a graceful human being and does so many good things you don't hear on ESPN. But there is no question he has profited from being deconstructed as the binary opposite of the Allen Iversons of the world. In other words, he has played the Martin Luther King to Allen Iverson's Malcolm X; he has largely gotten by most of his career by being the good folly; the "good Negro", if you will. In all fairness, most of it probably through no conscious choice of his, but it feeds the perception really.

I think this entire debate misses the entire point about black identity and what it means to "be black"
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:smt023

Dre7669 · Apr 5, 2011

satyr said: ↑

Hill, Michael Wilbon, and Chris Broussard completely got it wrong.

In his discussion of the Duke program, Rose was explaining his feelings of the team at the time, not 2011. At the time, Duke was America's sweetheart basketball team (yuck) and the Fab Five were the anti-Duke because they were black as fuck and decidedly urban. There was racism though in how some teams who played Duke with black starters were branded thugs. UNLV were called thugs after spanking the shit out of Duke, despite Greg Anthony being the president of campus Republican club. You just can't win with some people.

The documentary:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GTE3QVNF
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Good looking out on the doc. Ive been wanting to check this out.
Got to give it up to the Fab 5. Them dudes changed my life with the black socks and baggy shorts.
The UNLV doc was good too. Makes you think, had the Fab 5 been around a year sooner...........

Shots out to IB and her pretty toes for posting this.

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