Now you know I luv you FG, but I gotta disagree on this one. I really do believe that two people who love each other equally and enough, will find a way to make it work, regardless of the obstacles. I just don't think it happens very often.
I said: as a general concept and as you said - you think it happens, but not that often. i.e., as a general conceptit does not work - so, we do agree.... :smt037:heart::smt037
How can I ever say "NO" to you exquisitly dressed pretty foot??!!! but you can disagree with me anyday! I would not mind one bit! You know how to do it with tact. Classy woman you! I honestly prefer to have such discussions with people I dont agree with because I can learn something.. Im always up to look at stuff in a new way. Sometimes we take our values for granted and never re-evaluate them. We might even have out-grown them but never know, unless someone challenges us.
Well now, this I absolutely and unequivocally agree with FG! I always seem to learn more from people who don't think like me, and I think that's because it forces me outside my usual realm of thought and makes me critically examine alternate lines of thought. I love it when people make me think, it's really enticing. That's one of the things I love most about you, and most everyone else here, y'all make me think and I've revised my opinion on several occasions because of it.
I gotcha, but you can antagonize me any day: see below;-) That is the beauty of it all I think..... If somebody challenges me, I have to defend my stance and sometimes we find holes you can drive a hummer through. I think it is the only way to grow and learn new things. I love it!!!!
Wow I wish I caught this thread earlier. I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with these lyrics. It's a description of something most of go through. I think by the time you reach a certain age we have all experienced relationships that were not good for us and I think this song is a tribute to that. It was such a valuable lesson that many have to keep re-learning but the over all lesson is you learn what's good for you vs. what's not. If you don't experience the bad its very difficult to recognize the good. Every unhealthy relationship I've engaged in was beautiful because without it I wouldn't have insight into what I deserve and what will help me grow as a person. I know at first glance this song makes the woman seem needy and weak but I think love at least true love requires us to take a leap of faith and that can't be accomplished with one foot safely planted on the floor. The biggest rewards come from the biggest risks the two are inseperable. I'm not saying to for go all your instincts but I think its important to differentiate fear from caution and love from desperation. Love requires nothing so you don't HAVE to give anything but you'll want to because it feels right. I'm sappy I know lol
I know sweetheart, I am so addicted to this site I hate missing days but we had a blizzard the last two days and no power. It sucked being cut off from the world.
I feel for you, that's the worst. Since the vast majority of my work is done online, when internet is down I freak out. I don't deal well with downtime. Anyway, just noted you weren't on at all yesterday and I've gotten used to seeing you on several times a day. You spoil us, and we like it.
And I've already read it and tried again to give you rep for it but can't. I think it's excellent Andrae, truly.
I just had a listen to the actual song, well even aside from lyrics it sounds pretty depressing, can just imagine crying into a coffee with this in the background lol I have to agree with Lippy the lyrics aren't what I'd like them to be, but alot of RnB Lyrics bother me to be honest, but I will say something like Ashanti with Foolish was a lot more catchy.
I hardily agree with your take on this song. I also know that true love is not desperate or needy. I also know it takes a very courageous heart to live true love in a savage world that spends the majority of its time loving itself. I also know that the world disses "love conquers all" because to love someone so deeply that you allow them to hurt you is seen as a weakness not a strength. I attribute that to our society that has forgotten how to love other first. We live in a defensive, selfish society that cries out for love, greedily takes it and then cries foul when the same consideration is asked. Christ died on the cross because of HIS love for us. He died knowing full well that more would reject him than accept him and yet he still loved. It wasn't his love of himself that caused him to suffer on the cross. It was his love for humanity that caused him to be nailed to the cross and speared in the side. Do you know that crucifixtion is a slow torturous suffocation? How many of you would do that for someone? That slow torturous suffocation was why the solider thrust the spear into his side - to speed the death process up because of the hour of the day. I will never consider Christ's meekness (strength controlled by love) as a weakness - far from it - and the world abuses him 24/7 to this day. He gave up his rights to take on the form of man in order to redeem man with his love. That takes big kahouna's ladies and gentlemen. Do you dare try to match it? I will put it to you that the person that needs to change is not the person with the heart of love but the person that abuses that heart of love for his/her own selfishness that is afraid to be humbled by the heart of love. A woman and/or man who lives love in my opinion is a much stronger more secure woman/man than any woman/man who must always be defending her/his own selfishness. She/he is secure because agape love controls her/him not the selfish prideful love that is passed off as love in those 1000 anthems Jamal mentions above. I'm not saying the lyrics of this song illustrates a woman who lives love. I'm commenting on Jamal's take as embolden in his quote above. The lyrics do illustrate the internal battle within all of us that must make the choices between other and self every day. Do I advocate a woman staying with an abusive man? No. I believe she is freed from such a bond because the man has reneged on his responsibility to love the woman. What I'm saying here is why is the woman getting the bum rap for wanting to love, when it is her nature to love?
Felicity, you are a little bit all over the place so I don't even know how to properly address what you’re trying to get at. So I'll simply go ahead and try to make my point again. Songs, like novels, are not always going to be or supposed to be about happy endings and uplifting stories. Often times they are about real life issues that are depressing in nature but nonetheless manage to hold up a mirror to what occurs in our society. Often the best work is one which makes you sad but makes you think as well. As I pointed out as long as the song does not glamorize abuse or abusive relationships then I see no problem with it. The song appears to be about desperation and what desperate and love-starved people will accept and tolerate. Hello, that’s real. If its not justifying such behavior and its probably not promoting such a behavior; its simply speaking about it. And often times speaking/singing/writing about such issues and concerns is the best way for people to notice and pay attention to such issues. Such art can also serve as powerful reminder to its audience that that is not the route they want to take. Life for the most part isn't a fairy tale so why do we expect all our songs to be? Over the course of human society the expression of pain in art has been just about as effective of a tool as the expression of joy. And looking at my remarks that you highlighted you don't seem to get that my point that the agendas in most of the modern R&B songs by females ain't about love either. No the purpose of those songs are more to be anthems of revenge or a celebration (or demand) of superficial (monetary) things. Love is give and take and if the female side of the singing equation are all about attitude and putdowns and rarely about the type of openness and adoration that Roberta Flack was known for, then they are just as responsible for the over-the-top war of the sexes that exist in modern black music. As I also pointed out earlier its not much different from the much reported misogyny in gangsta rap. The song we're debating in this thread may be about an unhealthy, misguided love but at least that's a more refreshing approach than the nihilism commonly found in most of today’s black music.
