Is religion obselete in this day and age??

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Your avatar picture and your reaction goes hand in hand.

 

LMAO...!!! so it does

 

Hahah, all that's required is your laughter and that would make it complete!

 

Good night. I'll be back tomorrow.

 

Bradin, If people want help they will ask you for it. This is not the place to preach, my friend.

 

Kudos, BBW! Tell it like it is! :smt023

 

I pretty much co-sign everything BBW, Tarshi, and DB said. I couldn't have said it better myself. It's wrong for NC to shove his beliefs down peoples throats. I'm a non-believer myself and I don't that. Hell, I don't even like to get into debates. It's waste of time and it'll be hypocritical of me to force my beliefs on other people.

BTW, Tarshi. Is the Prime Minister of Australia a non-believer herself or so she says?

 

To be fair, that's what BBW did to Bradin.

 

You're both right. I noticed that as well, but my post was about NC, not BBW, because I happen to agree with everything he said. That's just me though. I will say this in BBW's defense. I don't think he is a fudmentalist atheist. I think he what he was trying to do was to be honest with NC and tell him how he feels about religion while trying defend the OP. It was NC that came at the OP and that's just BBW's way in defending him I guess. BBW even said it himself that NC could believe in whatever he wants if it truly makes him happy. BBW seems like the kind of guy that likes to debate with people, say what he truly feels, and doesn't sugarcoat it. He just calls like he sees it. I don't think BBW was actually trying to change NC's beliefs. It just looked that way. I think BBW knew he wasn't going to change his beliefs anyway even if he wanted to.

When you guys had your "Thank You God thread and Prayer thread, I never recalled BBW coming on to those threads and forcing his beliefs on anyone in those threads. NC on the other hand, says his new mission in life is to save people from an eternity in Hell and covert them to his belief system so they could spend eternity in Heaven. That's why he first posted in this thread. So he could try to convert the OP. This is just how I see it

 

On another note, I myself am no fundamentalist/militant atheist. I criticize religion, but that isn't exactly the same as forcing it on other people. I often disagree with militant atheists. I believe they are hypocrites. I believe they are no better than fundie christians. The very same people they depise. Both groups feel the need to get others to follow there beliefs(or disbeliefs) and they can't stand it when anyone disagrees with them.

I'm an agnostic atheist and my views are more moderate(even though I criticize religion too). I think people should belief in whatever they want whether I agree with it or not. I don't go out of my way trying to deconvert people. That's not how I roll. I don't even like to go into debates(well, not usually). It's a big waste of time IMO. Hell, militant atheists like to give us agnostics and more moderate atheists shit too. In their eyes we're seen as intellectually weak and scared. Just fence sitting in order not to call ourselves atheists because were scared to and thinking there MIGHT be a higher power or deity. I even argued with one yesterday on Facebook. I will defend my beliefs and disbeliefs if I'm provoked to do so.

 

That's actually not definitive fam. I'm not sure the soul/self resembles what we think it will look like after "death" but I do wonder about consciousness beyond this existence. For example we see ourselves as our thoughts and memories. What are thoughts and memories? Electrical impulses firing from neuron to neuron, but once the chemical reactions that give your body "life" cease to function where does the electricity/energy go? Since energy just transfers from body to body is it possible that you just go to the electromagnetic field or do you exist on another frequency like a radio? It just seems like could more complicated than ceasing to exist. Just my two cents.

 

And NC and BBW is/were good friends, so keep in mind this upset BBW immensely. It irrevocably changes their ability to maintain the friendship they had.

What everyone here saw was more than just BBW debating, it was kind of an attempt to get his friend to see 'reason'- since BBW himself admitted that he used to be like Bradin.

 

Thank you for coming to my defense ThePrince. I greatly appreciate it with the utmost regard. Everything you've pointed out is spot on relating to where I stand. I'm not one of those atheists that's looking for confrontation. However, I do interject my thoughts on the matter when asked. I'm just more honest in my position than anything else. I'd rather accept the reality of things than to sugarcoat my existence with something that's ancient and man-made.

And in regards to the "Thank you God" Thread and others of that form, I never came into the thread to dispute anything and I did this out of respect of the posters here. Tamstrong, UnChosen1 (now DOA) and others who fit the label are very likable people and their convictions are strong. I'm in no position to dissuade them of their personal ideas when they don't ask or respond to my posts. I leave you all be, despite my personal feelings and it would be wrong on my part to even invade and cause a ruckus.

What you basically explained was merely how the mind and body functions. Not once did you really give a good answer relating to the concept of the soul. The fact is that practically everyone here and around the world subscribe to the concept of dualism - the idea that the mind and body can be separated. However, that's a philosophical argument and not one of practical or empirical means. It's just a strong reinforcement of the human's fascination and complex relationship of mysticism and the unknown.

I still like Bradin, but I hate what he has become. It's not just him being a reflection of my own personal past, but one I knew from long ago who practically committed mental suicide because of her downtrodden situation involving family.

 

Why does the soul and my electromagnetic field have to be mutual exclusive and maybe mysticism is a beginning to understanding our existence. Of course it has practical means, empirical may be another story but like I've always summermized even though we may not be able to measure it yet doesn't mean it can't be measured at all. The soul or spirit or what ever you want to call it always reminded me of radio waves or subatomic atoms. Maybe we lack the instrumentation or the knowledge to explore it yet.
Think about trying to explain radio waves or UV rays to a 12 century serf. They exist but can't be seen and up until the 20th century couldn't be measured. Interesting aint it.

 

Mysticism isn't the beginning of any way, shape, or form as to HOW things are or work. Again, you're subjecting yourself to a non-practical idea that lacks any empirical means. The electromagnetic field is actually a universal experience that we can feel and interact with on a daily basis and it's not based on any dualistic notions.

 

you're right prince, she is a non-believer

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/pol...-faith-for-votes/story-e6frgczf-1225885581225

 

Your missing my point bbw. Up until recently say the last century there was no empirical means in which to measure it. Your argument against the idea of the soul ie life after death is that it isn't measurable. Which I can agree with for now but just because it isn't measurable now doesn't mean it never will be. We are just beginning to understand what death means let alone what continues on after if at all. You're subjecting yourself to finite and limited thinking. I thought science allowed for all possibilities not just the easily provable ones.

 

What don't you believe?