Is America Raising a Generation of Weaklings...

Discussion in 'Conversations Between White Women and Black Men' started by swirlman07, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    damn sure fathers didn't come up with that
     
  2. Inner Beauty

    Inner Beauty New Member

    lol...

    I'm a woman and I don't agree with that. We all had to learn the hard way and they're doing a disservice to these kids.
     
  3. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    I tend to agree with the essence of what he is saying. Male-bashing has become all too acceptable. But bashing women is not acceptable either. We're not all trying to run the world or tell men what to do and how & when to do it. Men need to be respected as men (and act in a way that earns that respect), and women need to be ladies and treated as such.

    Men and women were created for different purposes. Women weren't intended to be men, nor men women. We are equal in value and worth as human beings, but in relationship with each other, we have different roles. If I lean on my faith as an example, the Bible teaches "For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." I Corinthians 11:8-9. Genesis 2:18 also says "Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is just right for him."

    I know there are those who will lynch me for my beliefs, but I have seen this principle at work in many relationships and the blessings and peace and order that come from following it as it was meant to be followed.. So blast me if you will, but you can't argue with real-life experience.
     
  4. TheHuntress

    TheHuntress Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, I fail to see how 'aggression' is an admirable personality trait.

    Wars? Not good. Started by men.
    Murders? Most of them are committed by men- regardless of race. That's usually men.

    I just can't remember the last time a woman started a war, and even if there was ONE, you can go so far back in history and see the horrors that men have been responsible for, thanks to their 'aggression'. The male incarceration rate is something like 15 times the incarceration rate of females.

    There comes a certain point where you have to make the decision to evolve or be left behind.

    As for dodge ball and education- the problem is that too many parents have a say in what goes on in schools. Parents need to stay the fuck out of the school system and let teachers do what they do. No other profession is treated like this...as a parent, try telling the lawyer how to do their jobs, as if you know the law better than they do. Try telling the doctor how to perform a brain surgery. As soon as you get people who have no business sticking their noses into what happens at school, and focus on doing what they need to do at home, things just get crazy out of hand.
     
  5. saintaugusta

    saintaugusta New Member

    I thought you were going to come up with an earth-shattering genius inventor who was a black man, an African-American male. If they had been allowed the education at the time, was there one, or several?

    Not in the mood to argue at the moment.
     
  6. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    :smt023 Repped
     
  7. TheHuntress

    TheHuntress Well-Known Member

    Helper does not translate to doormat, slave, mindless-opinionless-spineless twit of a person who cow-tows to the cock in the house because he waves it around and stomps his feet, either. As I said in my other post- it's about EVOLVING. If you don't evolve, you don't survive, and this is clearly something women have been doing for centuries as they fought for more and more rights, and men are having a tough time dealing with giving up some of the control.
     
  8. Inner Beauty

    Inner Beauty New Member

    Thank you, Ches....
     
  9. satyr

    satyr New Member

    Wow, these chicks and andrae have completely fucked this thread up.
     
  10. swirlman07

    swirlman07 Well-Known Member

    I don't see how these analogies are comparable to teaching. Whether law or Brain surgery, the rules don't change, they are black and white. You do things in specific and determined ways. However, in the case of teaching, there're many different schools of thought, and unlike the other examples, parents have been students as well. They also have a vested interest in ensuring that their child has the best opportunity for success. So, it makes sense from many perspectives that they would have input. Traditionally, the input of parents has been sought, whether through the Parent Teacher Associations or through working with the local boards of Education. I see no reason that this should change now.
     
  11. saintaugusta

    saintaugusta New Member

    Boobs can't rape.
     
  12. swirlman07

    swirlman07 Well-Known Member

    Hey, you win some and lose some, lol.
     
  13. TheHuntress

    TheHuntress Well-Known Member

    Parents should be parents. Not teachers.

    It's very simple. I don't need a parent telling me how to do my job. It's a slap in the face for professionals who went to school and were certified in teaching. If you want to be the teacher, get an education and get the same certifications that I did or shut the hell up. You stay the hell out of my classroom, and I'll stay the hell out of your place of business and your living room. After all, I might have a vested interest in how a police officer does their job, but I'm certainly not going to follow them around every second of every day and offer my critiques based on my opinions rather than knowing the actual laws.
     
  14. TheHuntress

    TheHuntress Well-Known Member

    This is true...

    however, I do not like the idea of anyone cheering violence. When that happened, it bothered me immensely.
     
  15. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    You're right, it doesn't mean that and I never said it did.
     
  16. TreePixie

    TreePixie New Member

    So why blame feminism? Sounds like there was an issue between your parents which has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with their personal dynamic.

    You have a point about right/wrong having once had a more general meaning, but the problem is whose version do we accept? 100 years ago, any woman who had sex outside of marriage would have been seen as "wrong" .... any man who chose to stay home with his kids would have been seen as wrong. I think when you get into moral absolutes you're on icy ground. I surely can't take scripture as my personal guide, as I don't believe in it - I think a universal set of values has to take into account that this is a diverse planet we live on. Respect for one another regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation or gender presentation is a start, but we have to be careful of absolutes which are not really absolute. Everyone can agree that murder is a bad idea, yet many who would say that see capital punishment as ok. We all agree rape is a bad thing, yet many blame the victim, or consider it's only rape if it's a stranger in a dark alley. We all think stealing is wrong, yet many see no problem with taking a ream of paper of a pen from the office, etc etc. ..
     
  17. TheHuntress

    TheHuntress Well-Known Member

    I know. But that's the kind of world certain male members of the world and this forum would like to see.
     
  18. TreePixie

    TreePixie New Member

    Feminazi - because wanting gender equality is *just like* invading Poland.
     
  19. TheHuntress

    TheHuntress Well-Known Member

    lol. LOVE that quote.
     
  20. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    As a parent, I have a right to know what my child is learning. I should be able to ask you questions about his education without his teacher getting offended.
     

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