Immigration: Arizona strikes back

Funny...this is "exactly" how I imagine you interacting with your black neighbors. Talk about cunning and deceitfulness!

 

andrae...it isn't about being on anyone's side...if i had to choose i think my choice would be clear...we are talking about the difference between right and wrong...i don't all of a sudden think it is wrong because of what is happening to mexicans...i thought it was wrong to racially profile blacks...i don't like it when jews are a target...i grew up in the west where people are very against american indians...i don't believe that muslims that are living, working in the usa trying to make a better life for themselves are all terrorists...

i will have to go back and find your question...i skipped out for a bit to take my son to target...a very important Ipod charger was needed...

 

This is it in a nutshell. It's comforting to know that even if we disagree, you get where I'm coming from. I'm always the one saying better to let everyone go free than to jail one innocent Man. I know not everyone looks at the world this way, but I do.

 

some of my neighbors are mexican too...everyone gets along just fine but thanks for checking psb:smt039

 

One hundred percent I agree.

From a political standpoint, I think maybe you & I are twins.

 

andrae...i think this is your question...as you can see, you didn't ask me directly so i didn't answer...

the first step is to close off the borders...i think everyone agrees that this has to happen...this means all of our borders...do you know that you can get into canada through the minnesota border without ever having to show identification...on a road...just drive your car through...you are on the honor system:smt005

i think espy is right in that most of the illegals have identification...if they don't they are in the process of getting it right now...it's available at a price...soc. security numbers and passports

 

You can't close the borders without asking people for their papers.

I'm just sayin'.

 

Excellent email my buddy sent me regarding how bad ILLEGAL immigration is. This was from some recent opinion article. I'll ask him where he got it but its pretty much spot on in terms of how big of a problem this is.


Today we have many more immigration laws and restrictions in place, including modern methods of ID and a complex governmental and business infrastructure. These systems cannot be bypassed. Every developed country has immigration laws. Without them, sovereignty and national identity are both weakened, security is lost, and a perpetual string of problems occur as a result. The United States naturalization laws were established in 1790. Since 1929, illegal entry into the United States has been a federal crime. America is not a place, it is a nation. Its people are not residents, they are citizens.

Most Americans respect the laws while raising their children to do the same, yet they're aware of millions in the country who violate not only immigration laws but virtually every law that exists. Americans notice the unscrupulous businesses that hire them and the government agencies that cater to them at a great expense. Our officials are charged with the responsibility of oversight and have failed to do so on a scale unimaginable. It's obvious our officials have allowed this problem to grow un-checked. The US Border patrol will aggressively approach suspicious individuals walking or driving within about a 20 mile range inland to verify their status. Yet once illegals make it into our cities and communities where the issues are even larger, they magically become unapproachable and off limits for fear of "profiling." This is an inconsistent and ineffective policy. Government agencies and lobbyist also have a convenient history of under-estimating statistics and costs. If an automatic "path to citizenship" (i.e., Amnesty) is offered, government leaders will quickly realize there are significantly more than just 10-11 million in the country--in fact, there are more than 20 million. This would also be an offense to the millions of honest immigrants who have become citizens through the legal process. The opportunity to live and work in America must remain an invited and controlled privilege, not to be gained by backdoor tactics or by paying a small fine.

Illegal immigrants are not "victims" who need us to rescue them. Yes, many are hard working and only wanting a better life as those in all countries do. However, the problem is much broader than what some media images suggest (e.g., the harvesting of crops, immigrants feeding their families, or emotional photos of parents deported from their anchor child--an extremely rare event). A significant number are single males with no families to feed. In fact, illegal immigrants know that having an anchor child greatly reduces their chances of being deported. Yet the same media is not sympathetic to American parents separated from their children when they're caught breaking the law. In the real world, Americans have witnessed millions of illegals openly engage in undesirable activities, while enjoying special treatment that our own citizens don't receive. Such activities include catch-and-release (a type of sanctuary status that even foreign diplomats don't get), failure to appear in court, immigrant gangs, drug and human smuggling, violent crimes, massive identity fraud, illegal voting, driving under the influence, hit-and-run accidents and various other motor vehicle violations, tax free incomes, free social services (including housing and food stamps), free emergency room care, public school enrollments, a full range of medical services for family members due to chain migration--including elderly parents who draw on the healthcare system and maternity care for their anchor babies. As if this weren't enough, they then wave their foreign flags in the streets of America demanding their rights, yet they don't have the courage to demonstrate in their native countries in order to fix their own countries' problems.

Across the nation, District Attorneys routinely cut plea bargains with illegals caught in crimes who aren't deported or incarcerated, only to repeat their crimes in the future. If they agree to be deported (many times agreeing to self-deportation), they often return to the U.S. in short order and are emboldened against our laws and courts. These kinds of activities are hard on the nation and its communities, yet amazingly people are expected to buy the myth that illegal immigration is somehow "good for America." Americans must ask themselves if these are the people they want to reward with citizenship while many others have waited in line to be here legally. Americans are learning that the 14th Amendment was not intended to give special benifits to illegal mothers and their birthright citizen babies, this amendment was intended for the children of African slaves. Americans are becoming outraged that their leadership has allowed this amendment to be used as a magnet for illegal immigration.

 

if i want to leave this country i have to show my papers...to get back in this country i have to show my papers...that is standard operating procedure through customs...

 

Exactly. I'm not arguing that point. I never did.

But if we close our borders then we have to be able to show our papers when we're in this country at any time we're asked, right?

That's my point.

So, what's the difference between closing our borders and being asked to show papers and what Arizona is proposing? Nothing. Yet one is okay, and one isn't? They're one in the same.

 

:smt024 can't wait to read this one......

 

I am pretty sure it will not. Under what grounds?

 

Only a fool or a liar would say otherwise.

 

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Well I don't consider myself to be either one. I wouldn't presume to speak to someone else's experiences FH, I merely sought to clarify what Frederick meant by his statement as it could have been interpreted multiple ways. As I've said, my personal experiences haven't been good, but I in no way think I represent the entire white population.

 

I think you meant neither not either babe.

 

we can't agree on everything so i am going to take politics for 1000 and run with it...thanks chi!

 

lippy luvs you tarshi :smt060

 

Thanks babe, I left out a word. It's fixed now. :smt058

 

Np I'm always here to give you a hand or any other body part you desire ;-)