I get so mad I sometimes. I really do hate G-d at times

Didn't know there were many female sci fi and fantasy geeks. Very nice Nyx. Are you from the UK a lot if the shows you listed like Merlin and Human Being are big there. I love Legend of The Seeker great concept and great books.

I was actually more sad that they cancelled 4400 after four seasons. Heroes has been on a downward spiral since season 2. They could have done so much more with it didn't. Epic fail

 

Lmao Tarshi. If Espy wasn't my wwbm gf you'd be a very close second. You crack me up kid lol

 

Yeah I loved the metaphor of how everything must die at some point but I think it would have been fair to say it all is reborn at some point as well.

 

story of my life andrae...always the bridesmaid...!!! :smt010

 

If she ever wants to open the relationship up i'll sneak you right on in lol

 

You know I've always been pretty territorial, but if ever I was gonna make an exception Tarshi would certainly be it.

 

:smt038

I really needed a good laugh this morning, and this post provided it. Of course. From our one and only Tarshi. If you weren't already betrothed to half the men and women on this board, I'd snap you right up. :smt050

Thank you! Rep added. ;-) :smt058

 

Goodlove, time for you to read "the Secret" and then "The law of attraction"

 

lol...thanks espy, your generosity knows no bounds...!!! :smt058

thanks joanie you gorgeous woman...!!! but i'm a little confused about the betrothed comment...as far as i was concerned it was geeky walking me down isle in our white bikini's in august. :smt003

 

Some of what i listed are not the best, but better any shows like, friends will and grace, or Seinfeld..... this are no way i will watch .. so if you don't watch this style of shows then you look for what you like around... and the UK have many

I bought the first book for Legend of The Seeker but i am not big fan of reading books still have not finish it .... and are 11 books i think..but it is better explain it more ..

have said it many times i live in Australia..(originally from Greece)

well big fan of sci fi

i guess people i know don't have to worry to watch sex and the city with me lol i never like this

 

The devil (el satana) was present from the begining (think eve--serpent--temptation)

Thought that was common sense

:smt102

 

Whenever we are going through bad times, I think that it is human nature to look for someone to blame. Whenever we are going through good times, we sometimes want to pat ourselves on the back. I just think that if you are going to ask 'why me' during the bad times that you should during the good as well. I actually think that the better question during bad times is 'why not me?' I'm no more special than the next person so why should I be spared of life's unfortunate turns?

Thank you, Espy. I appreciate the thought. I am a little shocked about your agreement as well.

 

Yeah at the beginning of man not the beginning of existence. There was God and his Angels. Lucifer wasn't mentioned until later. I don't even remember the serpent being recognized as satan until much later.

 

Well lucifer was an angel

So yes, there was God and his Angels (lucifer included)

 

Harsh bro lol

 

I don't really deal in debates on the existence of supernatural beings, because as I've stated, there's no way that either of us can win when we're dealing with something that involves faith, and faith alone. But as far as the literature goes, I can say with certainty that the reference was not to an angel, but to a king (Something I explained to a friend about five years ago). It's merely one of Christianity's widespread interpretations.

The Morning Star in Isaiah 14:12

The Book of Isaiah has the following passage:

When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home?[10]
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The passage refers to the king of Babylon, a man who seemed all-powerful, but who has been brought down to the abode of the dead ("Sheol"). Isaiah promises that the Israelites will be freed and will then be able to use in a taunting song against their oppressor the image of the Morning Star, which rises at dawn as the brightest of the stars, outshining Jupiter and Saturn, but lasting only until the sun appears. This image was used in an old popular Canaanite story that the Morning Star tried to rise high above the clouds and establish himself on the mountain where the gods assembled, in the far north, but was cast down into the underworld.[6][11]


No one knows who this king supposedly was, of course. Similarly, nobody knows which pharaoh it was that supposedly enslaved the Hebrews, since he's only called Pharaoh.

 

Yo DJ

good choice for picking Isaiah

However, essentially, the book which you cited is nothing more than a parable, or "divination/prophesy" of some sort, of the punishment regarding the Kings of Babylon (name: tiglath-pileser III) Isaiah is basically referring to the kings arrogance, as if he (the king) considers himself potent enough to identify himself as the morning star, and thus will fall from the skies, decreased (in terms of power) by the retribution of God against those who oppose Gods people (the Israelites).

The bible is "parablelistic"(?), you know this.

So this "king" of Babylon you are referencing is not supernatural, nor is he Lucifer (satan, devil, etc)

And the morning star is Lucifer (Although some argue its also Jesus based on---- Revelation 22:16). But then again, morning star could be anybody who glows at at night and day light (think illuminati)

meh

later

 

Wow... and I am very rarely surprised by anyone.

 

God does want everyone in heaven, Andrea. The truth is not everyone wants to be in heaven. I think that was mentioned somewhere in this thread already.

We are allowed to choose where we wish to go.

Getting to heaven is a gift from God lest any man should boast.
You take the gift or you don't.
No one coerces you into taking the gift or not.