Here's what 4 more years will sound like . . .

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Howiedoit, Jun 17, 2008.

  1. Howiedoit

    Howiedoit Active Member

  2. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano Moderator

    If John McCain is the best that the republicans have to offer, then I feel so sorry for them come November.

    I also feel sorry for anyone who is too blind to see who the best clear-cut candidate is beteween the two.
     
  3. Sneakeedyck

    Sneakeedyck New Member

    What has obama said that make a better canidate?
     
  4. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano Moderator

    I think that Barack Obama unlike previous politicians has tapped into a level of rhetoric that is bigger than just scoring political points or to show how tough you are among the heavyweights. He reminds us of the core values American people have and what and where the country is right now and that my friend has no color.

    Whether you are black or white or any other race, his message goes past the color lines and divisions because it speaks to the heart, the mind, and the soul. This is what is attracting a lot of people. That connection that reminds us all that we are all part of this and that we can make it better because we all have a basis of decency.

    Obama is needed right now, John McCain is not going to win because he is too much like George W. Bush. Obama’s message for change will prove to be the knock out punch and Obama is set up to win because America needs a new image after 8 years of straight up skull and bones satanic super ultra self serving agendas that screwed the middle and lower class so hard, the limp will take more than 4 years of Obama to heal....
     
  5. Sneakeedyck

    Sneakeedyck New Member

    I would like to see a black canidate as well , but some speeches don't cut it for me. He gets in gay marriage passes. War on terror MCcain has met with those middle east leaders.
     
  6. Sneakeedyck

    Sneakeedyck New Member

    Dont get me started on Rev. Right.
     
  7. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano Moderator

    This is for all the people who talk bad about Sen. Obama. I’ve heard him being called “elitist”, “puppet”, and “out of touch”. I just have to know something. I mean c’mon, is there actually a better alternative right now? There are 2 obvious choices for us to make as our president, and you just can’t see who the best overall candidate is?

    Are people that negative and filled with self-hate to the point where they are happy with the way things are going on in this country? It’s like back in the 2003 NBA Draft and the Cavaliers had the #1 overall selection. Their choices were: LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Darko Milicic (I’d include Dwayne Wade but we had no idea he was gonna be as good as he is).

    Anyway, the clear-cut pick was LeBron because he was exactly what the Cleveland Cavaliers were in dire need of. That organization as a whole was in the shitter before LeBron got there, and they couldn’t sign any free-agents because nobody wanted to play there. This nation is in the shitter right now and things are rapidly getting worse.

    I want a candidate who has the energy to revitalize this country, jumpstart this economy, and lead us into the future. If you can’t see that Barack IS that candidate, then you clearly have a pessimistic outlook on life. We don’t need those “glass-half-empty”-type people anyway.
     
  8. suprchic73

    suprchic73 New Member

    i'm not going to get in to who's right and who's wrong...and who's the better candidate and all that stuff....b/c we are all going to vote for who we are going to vote for....

    but, i will say, that i have NEVER understood why people want to pick apart candidates - regardless of party affiliation - based on the fact that they stumble over their words here and there. given, when jay leno pokes fun at some of them, it is hilarious....but, we could do this ALL day long with republicans and democrats alike. how many of us (your average american) could deliver speech after speech or press conference after press conference w/out making a single "oops" as we speak? maybe a handful of us?

    i dunno...i just think it's lame and immature to pick at something so trivial. maybe it's just me though....

    :roll:
     
  9. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano Moderator

    I just want the best candidate for the job. I'm not one to pick on the little things because I too am not perfect. I just hope that people can wake up and put their blinders back on before they pick one of the two.
     
  10. LaydeezmanCris

    LaydeezmanCris New Member

    Seriously, if people by now still think that Senator Obama is an elitist, Muslim and all this crazy stuff, they need to check into rehab. Most of these folks are the kind who won't vote for him anyway, but cannot be bold enough to admit it.
     
  11. Persephone

    Persephone New Member

    I dunno...see, my idea is that if we're going to elect a person to lead our country and make decisions for us, then he better be the best damn man for the job.

    Just because we can't make so many speeches without screwing up doesn't mean we shouldn't hold our presidential options to a higher standard. I think that -because- we can't is why we -should- expect it.

    I mean, if we only expect the guys to be just as good as us, then why shouldn't we be the ones in the white house instead? I don't want an average president, I want a well above average, extremely intelligent president who is better than me.

    I'm tired of being smarter than my president.

    That's just my opinion, though. Not trying to knock what you were sayin, darlin'.
     
  12. suprchic73

    suprchic73 New Member

    nah, i agree with you. i do think that our president should be held to a higher standard....but on things that really matter. i mean, i think it's safe to say that presidential candidates are well-educated. so, it's obvious that they've got something between their ears besides moosh.....but, i'm saying that pickin' at somebody b/c they stumble over a few words in a speech is just lame. it'd be different if they couldn't read or something, but an occasional slip.up - that's just human nature.

    i dunno...maybe it's just me.
    :roll:
     
  13. jellybird

    jellybird New Member

    nah, i agree with you. i do think that our president should be held to a higher standard....but on things that really matter. i mean, i think it's safe to say that presidential candidates are well-educated...

    That being the case, even if we say "w" is educated, what would lead a person with an education to make such dumb decisions or make decisions that clearly are not whats best "for the people." Simple logic would say then that he's movitated by "other" things...money perhaps?

    I would rather that he be dumb...


    so, it's obvious that they've got something between their ears besides moosh.....but, i'm saying that pickin' at somebody b/c they stumble over a few words in a speech is just lame.

    No different than picking on someone because of their "preceived" religion, what school they went to, or their refusal to wear a lapel pin.
     
  14. suprchic73

    suprchic73 New Member

    i agree....

    ....just b/c people are educated, does not mean that they have any common sense...so that's what would lead an "educated" person to make "dumb decisions".

    and also, it is ridiculous to pick at religion, the school attended, wearing certain accessories, etc....i'm not arguing any of that. people who would base their vote on such trivial things are ignorant.

    in my original post, i wasn't defending mccain...to be honest, i'm not a fan of either candidate running. i was just stating that i think it's ridiculous for people to nit-pick at things that aren't going to matter in the long run.

    that's all. :smt004
     
  15. jellybird

    jellybird New Member

    :roll: ok, and I wasnt talking about obama...

    And I have to disagree with you. People dont vote on issues...they vote on an issue, and discount the other crap as distant seconds.

    Im almost convinced that if satan put on a brooks brothers suit ran on a platform of a free market people would vote for him.
     
  16. raocha

    raocha Active Member

  17. raocha

    raocha Active Member


    For starters, he hasn't outlined a platform that would effectively be an extension of Bush's presidency.
     
  18. raocha

    raocha Active Member

    Don't tell me you're one of the people who actually thinks that gay marriage is a substantive issue. BTW Obama doesn't fully support gay marriage, but rather a simple extension of the same legal rights that heterosexual couples have to gay couples.

    And McCain is being backed and advised by all of the Neo-Conservative idiots like that fucking warmonger Bill Kristol who supported the Bush Administration's foreign policy wholeheartedly and have been completely and utterly wrong about everything regarding affairs in the Middle East for the past two decades. You think McCain's theory that threatening any real or potential adversary with a visit from our stealth bombers if they don't acquiesce to our demands and being Israel's slavering bitch is the proper way to conduct "diplomacy" in the Middle East? :roll:



    Please, don't restrain yourself on my account. You don't honestly think Jeremiah Wright should affect anyone's decision to cast their ballot for Obama, do you? Are you under the impression that he would receive a cabinet appointment or have any real effect on policy on Obama's administration?
     
  19. Sneakeedyck

    Sneakeedyck New Member


    Gay marriage is a important issue in an age where kids are shooting up schools and teachers are being attacked. more recently with the pact of teen girls to get pregnant. The more we get away from God more trouble is coming.Morals are good things. The ACLU is trying to take us away from god and society is getting sicker everyday because of it.


    Jeremiah is another "Kill whitey"" type of black leader that uses racism to increase their bank account. How many jobs have those firey speeches created for his church members? How much money have we gained from listening to a Rev.Wright? Obama would not appoint him to a position , but it is the fact that he would associate with a guy like this.
     
  20. raocha

    raocha Active Member

    Wow, talk about a difference in perception. Here I was thinking that one of the more important issues in coming the election cycle was the tanking economy and the fact that there are an average of 8,000 foreclosures a day nationwide due to the sub-prime mortgage meltdown. I had also come to the conclusion that the dubious relations of McCain's senior advisers to the looming financial crises (e.g. his campaign chair Charlie Black who lobbied heavily for the financial industry, and his senior economic adviser, the erstwhile senator Phil Gramm who is most directly responsible for the deregulation of the energy and financial industries which led the subsequent Enron, sub-prime mortgage and commodity speculation debacles) and his ridiculous proposals to cut taxes even more than Bush despite our recent record deficits would make him a poor choice for the presidency. But in your world, the ACLU, the gays and their insidious plot to rip us from the bosom of Jeezus is the paramout issue, and the church that Obama joined in order to ingratiate himself with a particular community so he could represent them in the state legislature disqualifies him as a legit presidential candidate.

    I really hope that nonsense was written with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
     

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