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Discussion in 'Conversations Between White Women and Black Men' started by archangel, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. JordanC

    JordanC Well-Known Member

    I remember watching a show about a family that became homeless and was living in a shelter. They asked them how it happened. And the steps they told were just bad luck things that led to not having a home. It made you think they had it all and then they didn't. Could happen to anyone even a hard working family.
     
  2. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    ive been on welfare, live in housing projects, stocked grocery stores, flipped burgers, been to college, etc etc

    ive been around the block a few times and i know just how easily and how fast you can find yourself on the opposite side

    in a perfect world we'd all have perfect health, with nothing getting in the way of what we want. unfortunately anything can happen and everything isnt fixable, and sometimes you have to make due on a lower plane
     
  3. APPIAH

    APPIAH Well-Known Member

    There is no guarantee that in 10 to 20 years time he will be a bum or homeless or unemployed or have fallen on hard times.:cool:
     
  4. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    hate to have to say this but...alot of the bad things that happen is unavoidable like this recession. its out of your hands but what is in your hands is the proper planning and getting a good budget and getting out of debt...in other words bad decisions will fuck you up. I have been a victim of that shit. It open my eyes. the problem is that people have short memories and refuse to make changes.
     
  5. APPIAH

    APPIAH Well-Known Member

    The culture of saving is very important and some people don't have that culture for some people they want to live in the moment. I don't feel sorry for some of these people who went for sub prime mortgages common sense should have told you it was too good to be true. Those who lost everything even though they did everything right and still got fucked i feel bad for.:cool:
     
  6. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    it's guaranteed that you'll be one of the above in the next few weeks tho
     
  7. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    yep. you can get laid off in second and then bam your ass is on welfare
     
  8. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    id like to see him in line trying to buy Malt Liquor with his card tho
     
  9. APPIAH

    APPIAH Well-Known Member

    The economy is booming we got oil i got education in a country where most are illiterate so i am safe, there is a higher guarantee you will be shot dead by a crackhead tonight than me getting unemployed mulatto officer j:cool:
     
  10. swirlman07

    swirlman07 Well-Known Member

    How true that is, Jordan. I worked in a partnership with three other guys, all White and very conservative. We were incredibly successful in our practice and they could never understand why I maintained much different views that them, politically.

    On more than one occasion I had to remind them that it wasn't all about me, that I didn't grow up privileged. Regardless of my personal success I always had to think about my Dad, brother, and other relatives who weren't as fortunate in their lives.

    What's more amazing is that most of these guys who feel this way really haven't achieved much in the way of real success. They've a sense of "arrival" when they don't understand the true fragility of their small gains. As many have said, it only takes an illness, a disability or even a corporate restructuring for them to learn a valuable life lesson, "a haughty spirit comes before a downfall".
     
  11. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    LOL. hell yeah
     
  12. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    what is it with you and lighter-skinned blacks?
     
  13. APPIAH

    APPIAH Well-Known Member

    Some think they are white e.g. YOU, Now answer mine, what is it with you and Africans?
     
  14. swirlman07

    swirlman07 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, this flies in the face of reality here in the states, my friend. The inability to save has more to do with the cost of living than the desire to save among middle class workers.

    As for people "accepting sub prime mortgages", it's been shown that fraud played a major role in CONVINCING people that those loans were safe. It was much a less a matter of common sense as business sense. If it was so simple as common sense, Countries and communities all over the world would've turned down the opportunity to invest in those mortgages, with promises of huge returns.
     
  15. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    you sir, are a fucking idiot
     
  16. GFunk

    GFunk Well-Known Member

    What does that have to do with government aid?
     
  17. 4north1side2

    4north1side2 Well-Known Member

    I need a EBT card, section 8, and some powerball lotto tickets in my life right now!
     
  18. nocturnalmission

    nocturnalmission New Member

    I doubt very seriously that poor people choose to be poor, not in America or any other corner of the world. I know nobody would willingly opt for homelessness, hunger, or eviction if there are viable options...

    Children born into poverty face a harder uphill battle escaping those chains especially when opportunities are few and the revolving doors are many.

    Not everyone is born to privilege and prosperity. if success is measured in material wealth, remember it can be fleeting...

    How the unfortunate got there is immaterial if the "wealthy we" aren't doing anything to help them get out of that endless spiral. Corporations are not "suffering" in the same proportions and the top 1% of the wealthiest Americans aren't suffering at all. This is probably true globally.

    There was many a rich man who lost it and jumped from windows when the bottom fell out during the great Depression in America...

    Looking down one's nose and playing the blame game feeds into the class war so brilliantly crafted by the wealthiest few. Tomorrow it could be you or me or all of us. Men have gone to war for far less.

    All of the simple advice - "Work Hard" and "Get a good education", work on television and in those feel good movies when today's reality paints a dim picture for the foreseeable future.

    Let me get off the soap box, but I hope critics get the gist...
     
  19. subtlenote

    subtlenote Active Member

    That is a very good critique, and well said. However, there are many that become dependent on such a system where there is no incentive to better oneself and where living on government assistance becomes a way of life.

    This is not about being rich or poor, or the fact that poverty impacts all of us, and any of us can find ourselves to be poor. What i take issue with is that there are people who take advantage of such a system and never even try to get out of poverty. They are content with their lot in life without thinking of betterment.

    I have family members who do this; who sleep till 10 am where they are too late to take their kids to school on time, who have no plans of EVER working, who live an unhealthy lifestyle where their children know no better.

    I have been poor and know the uphill battle it is to be better. But the fact is that it is possible to better onself through education, and hard work. To be self suficient (not rich or filthy rich) is possible for anyone who is physically and mentally able; many people choose not to take such a difficult path, because it is difficult. That is what i have an issue with.

    It is not rich vs. poor, or about kindness, or about people needing a helping hand. It is about the lack of self awareness, the need for betterment, the choice not to educate oneself, the lamentation of helplessness that is not necessarily true.

    Ultimately the true reflection of a person is in their choice of how they respond in any given situation; many people chose not to struggle.
     
  20. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    This. :smt023

    For those who truly need the assistance, I'm glad it's there for them. People do fall on hard times whether due to joblessness, illness, divorce or death of a spouse, etc. But as you noted, there are those who take advantage of the system and make it harder for those who legitimately need the benefits due to hardship.


     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2011

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