Feminism and Misandry in Today's Society...

Too many "educated" posters who only see one side and refuse to see any oyher. Its all contrxt fam and they want a one size fits all approach ignoring that different circumstances make that impossible. Like immigration, you and I are amongst few members on here who can talk about it with an insiders perspective since our families basically just got here but we dont have a clue about the chqllenges illegal immigrants from Mexico. There isnt a one size fits all definition or solution and I just wish some would recognize that.

 

Us monarchs gotta stick together love

 

you know, ive choked out doods for far less than this.

keep it up teddy... i dont play that homosexual shit.

 

Lmao check out the e-thug
Negro calm and smoke a spliff. Its all good homie. We don't need to revive this east coast west coast stuff lol

 

say what you want, my cdc number got off my back a few years ago so these days police contact dont bother me. that homosexual play dont fly with me.

 

Ladies can one of yall please give this brother a hug.
Last thing we need is to lose another good dude to a nigga moment lol

 

Apprarently, I just wish some could comprehend that as a black man in America, forgive me but my name is not Dan, Scott, Todd, Jack, etc.

I didn't slip a ruffie in some co-eds drink to get in her pants at a party on campus.

I'm not some little rich frat boy who will count on daddy to bail him out.

I don't think a woman belongs in the kitchen and life is supposed to be like Leave It To Beaver.

So when I read some of the comments from the ladies on here, I'm like clearly this is intended for a different audience.

I can't after all recall how many black men have created an institutionalized form of patriarchal control that has impacted the lives of white women.

I guess the audience is wrong or something when these subjects are mentioned.

Clearly this is a white female-white male issue at the core, when we talk about patriarchy, wage gap, etc.

As someone mentioned white females on average earn more than black males so clearly it is not just an issue of gender, now is it, because if that was the case how do you explain that. Clearly there is more at work here.

As a black male I could probably go on about that all day and say why is it in a "patriarchal society, white females earn more than black males"

But me personally I don't run around wearing racism as some badge of suffering and woe is me, looking for the next bigot around the corner like I'm paranoid.

I realize it is out there, just like discrimination based on gender, but I treat folks as they come and I live my life according to my values and principles.

Respect me and I'll respect you, man, woman, whomever. Just come correct, that's all there is to it.

 

Funny thing is we are sitting here talking about all this when the 14 year old girl in Pakistan, Malala, took a bullet to the head and throat by the Taliban for wanting to be educated as a girl.

Now she has to have surgical reconstruction of her skull.

No one says things are perfect in Western society, but at least women have choices in life and great strides have been made, compared to these arcane, archaic, savage mentality in places like the Swat Valley of Pakistan.

 

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LOL, very true but it will get lost in the shuffle of hasty points folks want to make to get their own P.O.V across without seeing both sides to a subject matter and clearly thinking it through.

 

wow

 

You're right GQ, but to be honest, it isn't fair to compare women in the western society against this. It's almost like you're saying that we should be grateful for what we are given and shouldn't expect or want more, because well hey look, you could have it as bad as her, but you don't....think yourself lucky.

 

Neh, its just that I am a very open minded and culturally aware person and I realize the wider world out there goes beyond the narrow scope of our Western societies and its tenets that have evolved over time.

I don't think it is a matter of degrees of suffering as it is a matter of "basic" conditions and treatment and how that impacts women even among the most trivial of subject matters.

For example, this brilliant young woman just wanted an education, having heard her speak I recognized the drive and zeal she has in her and was impressed with her ability to communicate so eloquently at a young age.

It is that outspoken ability that led to her current condition at the hands of those whose views run counter to girls/women like her in that part of the world.

As a black male in America I could go on and on about social issues and use them as a barometer of consternation and raise questions such as why a black male or female on average earns less than a white male or white female respectively.

But I am also someone who realizes the world we live in is not fair, we can only keep working towards that notion but some things are a cold, harsh reality of life.

The thing you must comprehend about me is that I feel every person has the right to strive to reach the highest heights that their abilities can take them to.

So no way in my book should any man or woman have to settle for less than their capabilities.

You sell me rather short on that notion that women in the West should be lucky.

At the same point I can acknowledge how far Western society has come in regards to gender and race issues, without feeling every step of the way is a battle line to be drawn on these matters.

 

Fair enough GQ, I just couldn't understand why what happened to a young girl in Pakistan was introduced to a thread about the western society. It would be like one of us women posting a pic and information about a you g boy in the Congo having to take up arms and fight in a war

 

I guess we can't agree all the time, huh GQ..

 

Well not really, I mean you don't have to go to the Congo for that point.

A trip to Oakland, Detroit, Chicago's inner cities and you would find a level of violence and murder unparalleled to those places. Its just that based on who the perpetrators and victims are it is background noise to the majority of American society, as long as the violence and victims stay concentrated in poor inner city communities. Take it to the suburbs and see how quickly it would become front page news.

The reason I brought this young woman into the discussion is because she was attempting to attain something that woman around the world are often deprived of, an education.

Because it is that education that is often an access to opportunities and a better future for them.

Surely as an educated Western woman you would recognize that scenario. Education as a key for young girls in these parts of the world to escape the same repeated cycle of poverty and discrimination at the hands of a man or uneducated woman who repeats the same patterns she grew up experiencing and think is right.

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The children in the Congo have no choice the people in America taking up guns do. That's just something I've figured out on my own as an educated woman

 

When your grandfather, father, uncle, brother, etc is a lifelong gang member in Chicago, and is deemed as the ones that command respect in life and death in that kind of environment and its values, when you grow up in run down city housing projects with a drug addicted parent, when those are all the examples of life you see around you, then choice sometimes becomes a matter of default habit and are made for you by the reality of conditions.

Many of the dudes that run the streets and are gang banging often come from a family and social environment where that is what they grow up around from a very young age. Choice maybe, surprising choice, nope.

Nothing is ever clear cut and precise as we would like to think about these things.

If you have negative examples in your life from an early age you are liable to follow a pattern that you recognize, yes some buck the trend but that is why they are the exception rather than the rule.

Its all six of one, half a dozen of the other, at the end of the day its all dead Negroes, whether in inner city America or a Congolese jungle and its usually at the hands of another Negro.

 

Fixed. :smt061

 

If you look at what I said, I did mention that sexism is woven into the fabric of this country. Equality takes more than women shouting for equal rights. The USA, you should know, as a 'culturally aware person' scores pretty high on the masculine side of the things, as as a result, we are not known for our equality. Sweden, on the other hand, they're doing pretty darn good in the equality department, because they have recognized that stereotypical roles are not functional. As soon as we experience a cultural shift in this country that allows for that to happen, we are spinning our wheels, frustrated though we might be.

And hey, men aren't helping either. You want to 'take care' of a woman, but you bitch she won't pick up the tab. You all don't want her to have too many opinions (that's clear from the way you all gang up on anyone who doesn't kiss your ass and try to suck your dicks), but you don't want her to be too dumb, either -just dumb enough to need you and blindly do whatever the hell you guys say. Women who are go-getters and get degrees and are motivated to do things are too aggressive, or they are bitches because they're direct...so make a decision. What do you want? If YOU also want equality, stop cherry picking it and thinking that just because someone throws a punch that punching back is fucking 'equal' - it's not. It's quid pro quo, as I said.

Then do some fucking housework. Cook your own meals, do your own grocery shopping, and your laundry. Clean up something. Pick up the kids from daycare. Be the one to stay home with them when they are sick. Clean the snot off their noses. Teach your daughters to change a tire and fix an engine. Teach your sons to cook and to hem some pants. You're so narrow-minded on this issue -almost all of you guys here - that you are completely missing most of what we are saying. Quit cherry picking. We said we want equality. EQUALITY. Which means, the same opportunities that you have, without question and without conditions. There is absolutely NO REASON we should not have it, and no reason that anyone should not have it. Simple.

SMDH. I would have never believed you said this if I didn't see it with my own eyes. Ya'll have no idea.

 

I was going to comment on the things you said to GQ you too but he's more than capable of handling that himself.
In regards to your response to me what the hell are you talking about DB?
We are talking about dating where the social construction requires a man to pay but not for a woman and women are the ones who uphold this standard for more then men (generally speaking of course)
What you're talking about is partnership in a relationship and maintaining a household/family. Two completely different things. Its like scolding me for not changing the oil on a car that I haven't even bought yet.

And maybe the men you come across want to take care of their women but I think progressive intelligent men want to be in a relationship where we take care of each other. Just my thoughts. Wish I could hug this out with you my friend :smt056