Emma Watson's Response To Being Called A White Feminist

I don't get it, what exactly is the issue?
1.) Rape is disgusting to at least 99 percent of men. 2) The biggest enemy to women getting justice are the WOMEN that lie about being raped. 3.)There is no data supporting this imaginary pay gap.

Fuck is the movement really about? Domestic violence? Call the police or your brother, he gets his ass beat or jail.

What am I missing?

Courts favor women in child custody.

Ect. Ect........

 

Bro, I'm sorry but your experience is an extreme example of sexual assault and has tainted IMO your entire view of women, forget feminism.

How many adult men do you think have been victims of sexual assault from a WOMAN???

You have this one issue and because it wasn't met with empathy by a small group of feminists, you believe feminism is a junk movement.
And yes, I know it was a small group of feminists who didn't understand your pain. Still you talk like you stood in front of a group of hundreds of feminists and they ALL told you to kick rocks.

Generalizing is bad in both directions.
I know of the chicks I knew when I was younger, if I ever told them I had been raped by a woman, I can't imagine one of them not caring.
But that still doesn't change the fact that women by far are victims of sexual violence from men than the other way around.

The world doesn't work that way.

 

I am not sure why you speak of the "dozens of femnists you have met" yet we are supposed to ignore the dozens we have met.

And I find it interesting that you completely ignore the systemic oppression of male victims of rape, sexual assault, and domestic violence through feminist created models.

The reality is I keep mentioning these things and you keep ignoring them. I provide you with proof in regards to white feminism, I cite references to white supremacy, I give you references to feminist models that negatively affect men. But the only thing yiu can do is say, "you only met a few feminists in your life and they weren't empathetic to what happened to you". When I inform you that isn't the case and since being raped in 2008 I have spoken to, well over 100 different feminists in the form of recovery groups, old friends I used to work with when I was a feminist, as well as university groups, VA groups and more. But, you keep saying a few as if the duluth model wasn't created by feminists and as if it doesn't affect men that suffer from domestic violence. Or as if the wheel of abuse doesn't silence male victims of violence in any capacity.

I get it, you have no problems making assumptions about my experiences as a rape survivor because it doesn't fit your narrative. You are obviously not the first feminist to do this. And as many articles written by feminists, you still have yet to cite anything and continue to ignore the information we provide.

You haven't even remotely addressed the number of double standards you created in your posts. But, then again you really shouldn't be telling me what feminism is because as bm it's odd, as you mentioned.

Anyone that disagrees with you is a left whiney snowflake, or a skewed opinion having rape survivor with "a few" bad experiences. Whatever you need to fit your narrative. When that doesn't work you do the typical thing and just ask, "but how many men are raped?", in an attempt to straw man your failing argument.

You never address your contradicting statements nor do you address the large number of feminists that disagree with you on white feminism in the articles I've shown.

So, arguing with someone like that is sad, and pathetic on my part. And I will no longer take part in it. I can post article or cite works and information all day, but you will red herring and straw man your way through it, while simultaneously neglecting to cite anything in regards to your argument and will dismiss everything regardless of how true it is.

You inability to address the double standards you created in this thread that I amd others pointed out is ridiculous. The straw man arguments you make to avoid them are sad. Quite franky, the way you argue with no cited works or information, yet expect everyone to provide you with, mixed with your constant deflection and straw man statements really remind me of someone in particular and I am skeptical...

Finally, pointing out the problems of a movement or ideology is the fast track to reform. It can either make it better or create something better. Ignoring the problems and history of the movement does nothing positive. But, I understand, based in your method of argument, that you are convinced and will ignore any and everything that doesn't fit your narrative (even when calling out your double standards and contradictions... this is a feminist saying that white feminism exists and yet you applaud her then go on to say it doesn't exist while scolding bm for agreeing with her feminist point of view and not yours, then saying that we should listen to feminists... but not the left whiney snowflakes, though... wow... ).

So, as I said, do not mention me and I will not mention you. You have failed to provide any information countering the argument of white feminism, and you have spent entirely too much time trying to downplay my experiences as a rape survivor. I won't endure that level of disrespect and I find you utterly repulsive for doing so. So, as I know you will not stop mentioning me. I will just have to put you on ignore.

 

A lot more than you would think. And people's attitudes about it are the biggest reason why we don't hear about it or realize how often it happens.

 

LOL. You sure about that?

 

Men typically are most likely victims of sexual assault as children. As adults, men are more at risk of sexual assault from another MAN than from a woman.

"More than you think" still means it's rare.

As for this entire discussion about White feminism being a corollary for White supremacy, or that somehow 'White feminism' is its own unique form of feminism, separate from the feminist beliefs of non-White women, etc., citing articles by random women trying to slur feminists who happen to be White doesn't make it a 'thing'.

So what was the point in calling Emma Watson a White feminist??
What had she done or said that made her deserving of this specific categorization??

As far as I can tell, Emma's unforgivable sin was that she dared call herself a 'feminist' but didn't have the appropriate brown skin.
It's akin to a White person announcing that he's from Mississippi and everyone else in the room standing up and saying, "Oh, you must be racist."

Yes, there are White feminists. No, there isn't a specific form of feminism called 'White feminism' that describes millions of feminists in this country in some meaningful way.

 

I think you've summed up the real issue here perfectly. You believe you speak for the rest of the world Clearly you do not lol.

Because they differ from yours. I get it. I find closed-mindedness of that sort on any topic really sad in this day and age.

 

Thank you, Sir.
As you say, meowkittenmeow has his own skewed views of feminism because of personal experience.
My point is, so does EVERYONE. It's completely subjective.
The great shame and wrong in all of this though is to just blindly tar everyone with the same brush.
One person's bad experience at the hands of "feminists" are not representative of the attitudes/behaviours of all of the other feminists in the world.
Pretty simple really.

 

Don't you want Black men in power instead of White men, Black women, White women, Asian men and women etc..?

 

Thank you. So fucking sick of people being dismissive to shit like this

 

When women finally started to claim some equality and powerfulness through sheer effort and determination.
Unfortunately, it brought out the hiss and venom with the most simplist default 'logical' explanation available, -- 'They must be(come/seen as) racist and so we shall smear them as such'.

 

Good try never once said anything close to that. I want progressives in charge true progressives like Bernie or Natasha Brown from Ohio or Gilibrand. People who give two fucks about people and not just the rich.
Say it with me Bliss Progressives.
Beat it with your race baiting.

 

I implore you to read ain't I woman that sums it up nicely

 

Oh shut up. Yes you did. Clear as day you said feminism is white supremacy. Race baiting if l ever saw it.
Bernie is a Socialist in name only fool. He wears $700 parkas, lives in several mansions and sold out to Hillbilly for that newest mansion after she scammed him out of his nomination. Lol.

 

I have, although it was years ago.

 

Interesting how you think progressive means socialist. Bet I'm an intellectual elite because I went to college huh. Keep riding with those actively trying to destroy you youngin. And I stand by what I said. Feminist as a whole do not see non white women as women. That's why people like Patricia Arcquette tell us its time for people of color and homosexual people to stand with women as if there can't be women who are of color and/or homosexual.
When I see the feminist cause extend to problems that extend beyond upper middle class white women then we can talk.

 

It's a great illustration of what it feels like to be a woman in a country that sees femininity as white and black as male. It leaves a lot of people out even though its not the intent.

 

Please forgive me if my recollections about it aren't correct.
I read it for a course at school years ago and more than likely skipped over or skim-read some parts
I agree with her arguments about sexism & racism being intertwined, I think that's a given.
Really it only serves to prove that no one voice can speak for all on these issues.
My own thoughts on feminism will be completely different from those of a Muslim housewife living under the Taliban, or a similar Muslim housewife living in the UK, or, of course, from a black woman living in America during the era of slavery & suffrage.
The goal or destination is universal, but we are all at different points along the road, due to historic differences of gender, race, culture and personal circumstances.
The real point I believe is that the most effective way forward is to find a way for these differences to unite and not divide us.
Emma Watson's point in the OP, I believe.

 

As far as speaking for the rest of the world, I do not. I agree. But pretending that feminism isn't a movement and ideology and is some magical thing is just creepy and insane. But, by all.means, believe what you want, lol.

I also agree with your statement on close mindedness. Considering that you turn a blind eye to the white supremacy within feminism. It honestly is a sad thing to be on a ww bm site and watch a ww turn a blind eye to systemic oppression of bm and black people.

Interesting, that the entire thread is about white supremacy within feminism, and how some feminists are trying to combat that. Yet, your focus is on pretending that it doesn't exist. I agree, such narrow viewpoints are a sad thing. But, I wish you the best with that.

You, like your friend in this thread provide no information on the contrary. You, like your friend in this thread ignore the opinions, views, and feelings of countless feminists who sre actually attempting to give feminism a good name by oointing out its historical and current white supremacy. Yes, redlol, I agree, such things are sad.

If you feel the need to reply to this in case you feel the need to get the last word, feel free. I just hope in the future that you provide some evidence and information to the contrary this time. Otherwise, you are just talking and not actually debating.

As far as I am concerned, due to your lack of information and evidence to the contrary, I will consider this case closed. It seems that a great number of women, some feminist some note, are more than well aware of white feminism and white supremacy and refuse to turn a blind eye to it. Their arguments hold validity due to the information and evidence they provide in countless articles, studies, and shared experiences. Something you and your friend failed to provide to further your arguments.

In spite of my issues with feminism and the misandric systemic oppression it causes, I have elaborated some of the good it has done in other threads. Unfortunately, the narrow minded will just take offense to change as oppose to learning, embracing, and understanding it.

I wish you the best and feel free to take your last word if needed.

 

I suppose it is customary to speak about rape survivors as skewed. Good to know. Thanks, I find it interesting that just about every self proclaimed feminist on this website has attempted to use my experiences as a survivor to create an opinion that my views are skewed. When all I have done is provide information to support my opinion and views over multiple threads. Yet, none of you provide any credible information. It's good to know. Have a good one.

I'd also like to add, that this is a common excuse given for rape survivors who are attempting to fix the issues that caused rape, sexual assault, and violence in the first place. There really is nothing new under the sun.