Did The Current State Of Feminism Kill Chivalry?

A recent article had this to say about people over 35:

According to the Global Entrepreneurship Monitor, people over the age of 35 made up 80 percent of the total entrepreneurship activity in 2009. That same year, the Kauffman Foundation conducted a survey of 549 startups operating in "high-growth" industries -- including aerospace, defense, health care, and computer and electronics -- and found that people over 55 are nearly twice as likely to launch startups in these industries.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com...der-workers-kauffman-foundation#ixzz1duLi7HW5

As to the validity that business leaders are among those making their mark:

http://adage.com/article/news/book-tens-people-made-mark/133248/


In the realm of science, the following excerpt, appeared in a recent article.

Working with Bruce Weinberg from Ohio State University in Columbus, Jones analysed 525 Nobel prizes awarded in physics, chemistry and medicine between 1900 and 2008. The pair used historical and biographical information to work out how old each laureate was when he or she performed the prizewinning work.

They found that with a few exceptions — notably the quantum mechanics discoveries of the 1920s and 1930s, which were often made by scientists under 30 — the trend across all fields is towards researchers being older when they produce their greatest work.

Comparing discoveries made before 1905 with after 1985, the average age at which physicists made their discoveries rose from 37 to 50. Chemists' average age rose from 36 to 46 and that of medical scientists from 38 to 45. Before 1905, 20% of prizewinning work was done before age 30, but by 2000, this fell to almost zero. The findings are published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences2.

Leonardo Da Vinci, who is widely known for the greatest painting of all time, the Mona Lisa, completed that painting at age 51.

Michelangelo Buonarroti completed the Sistine Chapel after the age of 50.


I'd suggest that you do a bit more research before making brash assertions...

 

In more traditional marriages, one person tends to be "the boss." In a more equal relationship, decisions are reached together. Or as my folks did it, in the case of a stalemate, the decision went to whichever partner the particular situation mattered more to.

Housework can indeed be split 50/50, but according to talent and inclination. I have a couple of friends in mind - he loves cooking, and she does not, but she likes baking. He cooks, she cleans up. On holidays, she does the special occasion cooking, and he cleans up. It's really not that difficult to split things in an equitable fashion. As far as money is concerned, they put in an equitable share (in the case of this couple, I'm guessing they make similar salaries, though she might make a bit more). If I make 70% of the household income, I pay 70% of the household bills.

The one time when I lived with a man who made a lot more than I did (I was 11 years younger and just starting out), the deal was that we lived as my income would allow - in other words, half the expenses was something I could manage nicely, no more than I would spend on my own. If he wanted something fancier than I could manage, then he paid for the "extra."

It was equitable - nothing is ever 100% perfect but two people with good intentions who love and respect one another can work things out pretty nicely without there being hard and fast "rules" so to speak. I don't mind doing the laundry, but I hate folding it and putting it away. So maybe I do all the wash but he folds and puts it away - and we both see that as a fair and equitable deal. Each couple has to work out what's best for them

 

Who is closest to the doorknob? That person opens the door. If I'm on the right, considering doors open towards us as a rule, I reach for the knob. It's pretty simple geometric logistics, I think, when you break it down into the movement.

 

You really needed to point that out huh lol. Welcome back Fembot

 

Well, why the hell else would I have been with a man who made a lot more money than I did? You all know I had a career. He was in his thirties, I was in my early twenties, and it was before I got into IT.

I'm not exactly a fembot, DK, and I think it's more than a bit rude to imply I'm some sort of robotic knee jerk person. You *know* that's not true.

 

If you say so LMAO

How about you could be with a man who made more than you because you loved him and he loved you and what your salaries were didn't matter. Just a thought.

 

I've never had occasion to meet and fall in love with a man who made that much more money than I did. The last serious bf did make a bit more than I did, but he was also a spendthrift and had child support to pay - he'd gotten himself into a mess, so I loaned him $5000 I never got back, and paid all the household bills for two years while he got himself sorted out.

Since I don't judge men based on income, it's just as likely that I date a blue collar as a white collar guy, and just as likely I'd date someone who made less than an economic peer. Other than at work, I didn't meet a lot of men who made 6 figures. I did some years, and other years just under that.

 

So then why bring up income if it doesn't matter who makes more? Why justify why he made more if it doesn't matter? Why bring up the fact that you had to loan an ex 5k if it doesn't matter?
I'm not trying to be an asshole it just doesn't make sense babe.

 

Oh, DK I know you'd never *try* to be an asshole.

In discussing how financial matters get arranged in a relationship, it's helpful to have an actual example. So I gave one.

As far as the loan goes - a lot of people focus on the dollar amount instead of how it's managed. You can be with someone who makes more or less than you do, but whose money management skills are good or bad, and that has an impact on a couple's life together. The ex BF, bless his heart, is one of the best guys I've ever been with, but he's utterly hopeless with money and the day to day details of living.

 

Meh, I still disagree. When I was married, I told my wife from the beginning if she wanted to work that she should, if not then not to worry about it. Initially, she chose not to work and not until we decided to start saving for a house did she begin to work. At no time was I the 'boss' because I made money. In fact, she managed the money and any large purchases were still decided upon together. It worked for us. Neither of us felt above or below the other. We were still equal.

I think feminism is not the cure for the feeling of inequality in a relationship. I think better dating / marriage choices is. Even with splitting chores, when quantified you have to work damn hard to find a 50/50 split. I like to cook, you like to bake... .Ok, unless we're eating cakes and cookies every night, your once a week baking is not equal to my cooking every night. You wash clothes, I fold and put them away? I contend that the folder / putter awayer has more responsibility. Frankly, putting so much focus on the logistics of trying to be 'equal' would drive me insane.... lets just work together and be happy.

 

it may not have killed chivalry but it sure did confuse the shit out of some people