Did The Current State Of Feminism Kill Chivalry?

So because I don't like that stuff, its off the wall bullshit? Yeah, OK. Whatever.

Go yank on someone else's leg for awhile. Mine are long enough already.

 

This modern world is so cynical that chivalry is almost dead. In my parents day when men acted like men and women acted like women chivalry was the norm. Now some men want to take a back seat and allow women to rule and some women want to wear the pants at all cost now being chivalrous in these situation is difficult.

 

for me it did

I rarely hold open doors, give freebies, or anything of that sort. you're not going to have your cake and eat it too...not on my watch.:smt023

 

Dang, Petty. Thought I raised you better than that! :-(

My son is 24 and doing things like opening doors, paying a woman's way is just what he does. And he likely learned it from men he was around and from things I said, but I don't recall specifically sitting him down and saying "Rule #1..."

Some things just go with being a man, imo.

 

My mother, grandmother, sister and any future girlfriend/wife get my chivalry. Other women merely get my good manners and courtesy just like any other person.

I believe in selective chivalry but blanket good manners.

 

Give this man a prize he totally gets it :smt038:smt038:smt038

 

And what exactly goes with being a woman. I find it interesting that no one has answered this yet lol.:smt102:smt102

 

rayer: Someone raised you right. Kudos to them and you for respecting their wisdom. I hope you find a woman worthy of your chivalry and that she will never take it for granted.

 

Except I forgot to add my sister in law (wonderful wife and mother) and my nieces. In the case of my nieces chivalry to them at the moment is sticking on some cartoons, pulling a funny face and asking them "ça va?"

 

:smt033

 

I already answered it. You just didn't like the answer.

 

There are still enough women who do appreciate chivalry. It goes both ways. The men who don't believe in chivalry made that decision despite many women still appreciating it.
Kudos to those who teach chivalry and to those who decide for it even though not everyone they have met has appreciated it as it should be.

 

http://eu-es.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2230700425&topic=2724

I Googled "A Woman's Role in Chivalry" and came up with a few answers by men that I thought were worth reading. They kinda line up with what I said, too. Funny, that.

 

Sorry Ches, I'm with TDK on this one. The things you mentioned are mutual and not exclusive to being a woman. The things that women expect from men as far as chivalry goes are not reciprocated and rightfully so.

Here's the thing. When it comes to certain things, voting, equal rights, equal pay, etc.,. I don't think you'll meet opposition with any poster on these boards (I hope). You know how frustrated women get when they do things for us men that go unnoticed? You want to feel appreciated. A man who opens your door hopefully does so not solely out of obligation or tradition but also courtesy and respect. In return, all we ask is appreciation. Sure, I know you can open your own car door. When I walk around and open it for you, then take your hand to help you out of the car is not me calling you handicapped, it's me gesturing to you to say "I got you". Me taking you to a wine bar, and conversing with you for hours is me saying "I find you interesting and I enjoy your company", at the end of the date when you reach for your purse and I gesture to you not to is me saying "The pleasure is mine". However, when my simple gestures are met with "I don't you" I do not feel appreciated. Fact is, I KNOW you don't need me.... you 'need' me no more than I 'need' you. I desire to be 'wanted'.

Essentially, some tenets of feminism seem to have turned chivalrous gestures to meaningless gestures.

 

And you know what Jaisee? If you opened my car door for me, and seated me at the table, and paid for my dinner, you would have my deepest appreciation. I DO NOT take those things for granted in this day and age. I probably did when I was younger because that is what I knew of men back in the day. The boys I dated did those things for me and I thought nothing of it because that's all I knew. Now, I live in a very different world. As I said before, you will not find me wrestling a man for a door handle. I am quite delighted to have a man open a door for me. And any time a man does so, whether I know him or not, he is rewarded with a huge smile and a heartfelt "thank you."

When you act like a gentleman and treat me like a lady, you will find in me a much deeper sense of appreciation and you will see that demonstrated in the way I treat you. I will have a much greater respect for you and more of a desire to present my very best self to you than I would to someone who lets me fend for myself or treats me no differently than a buddy. And those may seem like small, inconsequential things, but they might make a difference in whether I want to go out with you again. Why do we pick one person over another? In short, we like how we feel when we are with that person. So if I have a choice between a man who treats me like a buddy or one who goes the distance and treats me like a lady, well who you do you think I'm going to pick?

I'm not sure what kind of answer you guys are looking for. My only response is when you treat me like a lady, I will act more like one. Now, what defines a lady, I guess, is different for everyone. But I thought some of the answers the guys gave in my last post were in the ballpark.

 

there's some bullshit going on in this thread, and I aint buying it

Chivalry came as a result of women being less than men, in need of certain protections and customs, reminiscent of a parent taking care of their handicapped infantile offspring (this is the unofficial petty theory anyway).

there is no place for that in the 21st century, as women look to close the gap between the sexes once and for all. Like I said, you won't be viewed as my equal and still get me to do bullshit like pay for meals, seat you at tables, run your bathwater, etc.

 

Not all women.

 

since they allowed women on boomers, ive stopped everything



you fuckers are men now

 

I have my own theories about women in the military, but it wouldn't be popular with the women on here, so I will keep them to myself. I am all about equal skills, equal opportunity, equal pay, but there are some places women just don't belong, imo. Boomers being one of them. So there, smarty pants. :razz: No more calling me a f*cker.

 

you're about to get mean-mugged from 85 percent of the female population here