Dating those who differ politically

It's not that Americans generally choose...they're just plain ignorant and believe in principles of "lesser government and individual rights" which translates to "corporations can do what they please and should get the benefits needed to keep the country afloat." Reality check: Big businesses don't care about America.

 

Exactly! But they would much rather give their country to the corporations than let the "freeloaders" get it. I really pray that what has happened in Lybia and Egypt will inspire Americans to take back their government from the corporations. Enough is enough. Just because someone owns more shit doesn't mean they should get to dictate everyone elses lives.

 

I think that you are Mr F had an interesting exchange here. People do so often vote against their interests. I was reminded of Ohio's pivotal role during the last Bush election. The policies being pushed by Bush would only make life worse for middle class families like those in Ohio. Yet, somehow, they don't realize that they would be the recipients of the policies they oppose. They are deluded by the media into thinking that it's the "other people", Black, Brown and poor people. They forget that they are only one paycheck from living on the streets themselves, often until too late.

You are absolutely correct about the connection between corporations and their affects on politics. Do most people know about the Koch Brothers? They are N.Y. billionaire brothers whose corporate holdings include Great Northern Paper (Brawny paper towels, Angel Tissue, Sparkle paper towels, Great Northern paper towels, Dixie paper plates and products) Other corporations include Stain Master Carpets, along with various oil and chemical related businesses. They are at the top of N.Y. society, are philanthropists and support the arts. Coincidently, their corporations rank as some of the worst polluters in the U.S. The irony that they support cancer research and yet are responsible for pumping tons of cancer causing carcinogens into the environment.

So, what's the connection to politics? They have spent upwards of $100 million dollars to support the Tea party and other right wing groups. They and other corporations supporting conservative cause don't just spend this money because they believe in those causes, they are fighting against the policies of the Obama administration, and this has been shown. It's all about ensuring that their corporations continue to remain profitable, as they fight legislature aimed at improving the environment, something supported by the current administration.

The problem is that most people don't want to peek behind the current to see the wizard. People would rather not read and research to be informed, but defer to sources like Fox news and the Tea party for cues about voting. Corporations affect elections and it's because they are fundamentally concerned about their company's bottom lines, not the actual causes they promote.

Would it be a surprise to know that money is being spent to create create Think Tanks for the purpose of supposedly legitimizing conservative candidates? Think Tanks are supposed to be independent organizations, often tax free, i.e. supported by your tax dollars, that do research to advocate policy. The problem is that these Think Tanks publish propaganda to affect voter support of these candidates. Pseudo organizations are formed to push these candidates and their conservative causes, all motivated by corporate profitability. A name has even been coined for them, they are called turf grass organizations, as a take off on the concept of grass roots organizations.

So, why do people constantly complain about government intervention in their lives and the need for less government, and yet don't realize or care about the intervention of corporations that affect their lives by altering politics.

Sorry for the long post. I sometimes get carried away with topics that I believe are important.

 

Actually that was rather informative I enjoyed it. I think the reason most people won't peak behind the veil is because every idiot in America believes that one day they'll be rich too and don't want the government coming in taking their hard earned lotto money (because no one wants to work hard for a fucking thing anymore). Remember Joe The Plumber who fought so hard publically against Obama's 3 percent tax hike on the richest 5 percent. So for anyone making over 200 grand a year they'd pay upwards of 6 grand more per year. They had this idea that Nigger Obama was trying to get hard working white people to give their money to blacks and that's where a lot of the polorization started. A lot of misguided white folks really believe that corporations are for white America where as government is trying to steal their hard money to redistribute to lazy ass black people who won't work. Its a great tactic because after hundreds of years of coexisting white people are generally scared to death of non whites.
We're a country in absolute crisis but people refuse to come together against the oppressive powers that don't give a fuck about us.

 

I'm glad that you enjoyed it. Admittedly, I sometimes get on a bit of soapbox when I feel strongly about an issue. I just wanted to provide some "food for thought". Then, people can do their own research and learn more about the issues.

The problem is that the redistribution as already taken place. Land was taken from Native Americans. Resources have been taken from poorer countries all over the world. Labor, property, a sense of culture, history and equality has been taken from African Americans.

Now, those folks want to maintain what they have taken through, conquest, violence, illegality and immorality. It seems apparent when these "conservatives" are exposed. They did whatever they wanted to when they were younger, you name it, sexual assaults of women, poor treatment of spouses, drug use, shady business dealings, and they become "successful". So, they alter their politics to favor maintaining all that they acquired.

There are few business people who haven't benefited from the system created for them. Suddenly, someone suggests that they should contribute only a small amount more, which makes sense because they derived benefits. The reality is that the small increase in taxes is to NET income, not gross. This means that businessmen still get to deduct all the same "goodies" for themselves, pensions that they can contribute to, vehicles use, etc. before they get to the $200K. The net result is that they still enjoy a much higher standard of living than the already over-inflated $200K salary.

I better stop now, I'm getting carried away again, lol. Perhaps, I will comment at a later time about some of the "takings" from African Americans and its effect on redistribution.

 

I wouldn't think that it would matter much. Just don't talk politics much that's all. Silence is a golden rule that should be used at times to keep the peace. Can you imagine how haywire it would get if you spoke your mind when you know that it might piss your partner off. For example the opinion of whether O.J. Simpson was guilty or not literally split the country in two and still angers some to this day when the name O.J. is mentioned, but in IR relationships it was not discussed unless the two both agreed he was guilty. Some things you keep to yourself if you want peace.

 

I've never come across anyone who differed from me, politically. Now religiously, yes and I'm not even that religious.

 

Darn Jews lol.

 

Well i guess my knowledge in american politics is not that deep so i might have waded into something i am not an expert of, but are you sure marrying into a political dynasty was a coup for him since he made most of his money without the connection of the kennedy name.

 

Uh yeah, me. There are a lot of people out there that don't agree with people rationizing killing a baby as ok as it wasn't "born yet". These may also be the same people that choose to drive a hybrid to save the environment, or hugs trees to prevent them from being chopped down, but that living fetus that was killed off wasn't actually hatched yet so that made it ok. Funny how that street runs 2 ways. But there's a pretty good thread from the past that documents all this...

 

For someone who works in some aspect of Government you are rather closed minded. Even more appalling is that you seem to be oblivious of this fact yourself.

 

Obviously, you didn't read through the threads or you would know that I was not the originator of the quote. However, I think that it's ridiculous that you would try to judge anyone. If you go back to the threads you will find that my perspective is well supported.

 

You know, I can respect that. Although I personally agree with your way of thinking regarding such decision making, I still hold a strong conviction that as a person who is pro-choice, I don't see a fetus really as nothing more but a splotch and potential threat. Plus when looking at it from a macrocosm, it's also about population and other considerations.

Sure that we have adoption centers, but not everyone has access to them. Even with "Safe Haven" laws provided, having too many babies dropped off in a hospital would be too costly and overall incredibly overbearing. So, while I understand that you have to maintain your means of consistency with saving a life, also consider the dogma that follows it too.

And lastly, I do take a much harsher approach to life and it could very well be troublesome if you interpret it as devilish. The quote I tend to follow would call along the lines of, Life is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, then you have to die.

 

Again to pro lifers (not you BBW) if you're not going to personally take care of the baby stfu. Those unwanted kids usually end up in group homes or foster care and are treated like shit. They usually become criminals so if you're not going to financially provide for the child you shouldn't open your mouth.

 

:smt023 Exactly, MF.

And double for the fact that if you're a man, you should probably stfu up anyway if you're anti-choice. That's why it pisses me off so bad that most of the old white men in Congress are the ones that are all like 'OMGZ! SAVE THA BABIEZ!'... fuck.you.

It's simple- if you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one. But don't presume to tell me what the hell to do with my body. Which is why I have strict 'no sex with anti-choice folks' policies in place. I refuse to deal with that crazy. That, and I'm a really vocal pro-choice advocate, and we'd probably duke it out really early on.

 

Eh I think as politically aware as I am at this point in my life I'd have a very hard time dating a conservative or a Republican.

 

Conservative I get but why no Republicans?

 

Preach it sister

 

My sentiments exactly. And sad enough, people don't see the bigger problem as well. I've also addressed population problems too. We're nearing 7 billion and honestly I don't believe the world can survive if there are more people over-exhaust the natural resources to keep a certain race alive.

I'd respond, but the video says it all.

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