blk men wht women for interviews

working on a film about black men and white women, what attracts them to each other and why. Looking for black and men and white women to share their experiences. Want to find people willing to talk in film interviews and audio interviews if confidentiality is an issue.

Looking for no-holds barred discussion, not general type answers like "love is color-blind" ..."we're all the same"... If your a black man that prefers white women over black women I'd like to know why. What is it that you don't like about black women as opposed to white women and why? Same for White women. If your reasons are sexual, physical,angry,financial,stereotypical, superficial and you'd like to be interviewed please contact me at blakhawkdown@yahoo.com for more details.

 

my choice is none of those, just what I prefer based on mutual interests, attraction etc. dont hate black women or find them unattractive, just get on with white women better and more attracted is all

 

Most of the trolls overlook these sentiments written in the majority of the threads/posts located in this site by black men.

 

What if that's what is truly felt??? Will be a pretty biased film really if you're already saying you don't want this, you do want that.

Have you had many responses???!!! :roll:

 

It's a good thing that threads expire and are no longer available to provide hard evidence otherwise. You and I both know the truth so it amazes me when you actually try to deny the real sentiments that have been expressed time and time again. However, I can say hands down that white women truly feel what tucker said towards white men though. They don't hate them nor to they seek to encourage hate and disrespect towards them..even though history has proven wm to be the worse enemy for bm/ww together. It's also clear what reg is getting at and what he wants bm to spew.

 

He clearly wants something very specific, and it's not difficult to figure out what that is.

 

Yea, you an I both know how lopsided your way of thinking about black men is, especially since you seem to believe that all black men somehow feel the same way YOU do about yourself, but then come in here and whine about how we are 'projecting' this and that, when all the things said about YOU personally are only repeated by YOU back to the men in here as an attempt to troll this site, and yet, despite all of your crybaby diatribes about black men vs. black women, you seem to feel compelled to keep comin' back in here and trying to argue with the men all the time, but don't rank that up with YOUR OWN self-hatred and sense of inferiority now...

in fact, you're so convinced that you know how all black men and women feel about one another based on ONLY YOUR OWN personal myopic mindset and reclusive lifestyle. Who the hell died and made you the spokesman for all black women worldwide, other than yourself?

Along with all of this, YOU wouldn't keep coming back in here if many of us weren't right about you, but continue to play dumb about who's 'the real enemy.' You whine about how all black men 'hate' black women, but fail to realize and understand that:

1. Black women aren't perfect despite what YOU tell yourself

2. Black women aren't the officials world victims of black male 'hatred'

3. Black women have proven over and over again to be just as racist and hateful towards black men as Latino Gangs, white supremacists, Asians, and pretty much everyone else, but you will deny all of this when it comes down to a black woman, and give her the benefit of the doubt, now wouldn't you? But, right, you're not a psychotic troll. :roll:

4. Whenever black women have done something reprehensible on their own against black men, black women like you always cry about how it's 'our fault' somehow because of this and that and blah-blah-blah.

I guess YOU can say this because this is what YOU seek out in your daily life, like an ass all the time. Your arguments are full of holes and circular contradictions. "Oh, black men hate black women, but I don't have a problem with black men being with white women, though I can't stop obsessing over it, or stop trolling an IR site for black men and white women, but white men are the worst enemies of IR relationships and not black women, waah-waah-waah, again and again. :roll:

Fact: White feminists hate all men, especially black men. Black feminists ONLY hate black men. Slowly re-read that until you can fully understand it.

 

I've already been in that thread.

 

Dealing with Prejudice

Man, I totally missed that thread!LOL But from what i could gather if my 2 cents is worth anything, this "producer" does seem to be doing a "less than intellectually honest" film project.
His logical fallacy seemed to be "argument from emotion." It appeared like he was going for some emotional response that he wanted out of his participants,but you guys called him on it.
The plain and simple truth is that it's a gross overgeneralization to assume that because a black male prefers to be with a white woman that this should in any way reflect a negativity toward black women.It's absurd. By that logic, I'd hate my own mother,all my aunts, cousins, friends, co-workers, etc.
My desire for a white woman is born sheerly out of positive feelings and appreciation of and toward white women, and not reflective of a negative feeling toward black women at all-or any other racial or ethnic group.
It would be no different that me going to the supermarket and choosing a pint of vanilla ice cream; I like it, so I buy it. It hardly means that I have an "aversion" to every other flavor in the display case.It just means through past taste-testing , I happen to like vanilla ice cream.
If an individual does have a deep seated hatred of one's own race of the opposite sex, then that individual should seek a competent therapist specifically trained to deal with those complexities.It certainly won't get dealt with in the arena of biased filmmakers with an almost transparent agenda.

 

Wedlock,

I have a preference for butter pecan ice cream. It is my favorite, and I tend to eat it a lot. I like the rich flavor, and the taste of the butter and pecan together. It is great. I do have other ice creams I eat b/c I like variety and some of my favorites is praline ice cream, cookies and cream, and I love sundaes. It seems I like combination ice creams. I still have a taste for chocolate and vanilla ice cream at times but I find them too bland, flat, and boring for my taste. The flavors do not burst in my mouth. Now, all of those flavors in and of themselves are by no means good, bad, better, and etc... However, according to my taste, I rank them according to what I like. I have a preference for butter pecan ice cream due to the fact that it offers me what the other flavors does not offer me. The other flavors lack what I find fulfilling because of taste, texture, and etc... When you have a preference you are comparing and ranking. Other ice creams, I don't have a negative feeling against, but it is obvious that something about their flavor I tend not to enjoy as much as butter pecan ice cream. Thus, there is something that I personally find lacking in the other flavors, hence that is why I prefer and like butter pecan ice cream over all.

Of course you may not hate Black women or dislike them as people, however, they do lack what you desire in physical sexual attraction. Thus, you are expressing some form of dislike to their physical apperance or you think they are less attractive than WW according to what you consider physically desirable. Again, some would say you do not like Black women, b/c they are interchanging attraction for like. That would be incorrect, you may like BW but you are definitely not attracted to them on the same level as WW b/c you do not "like" their features as much as WW.

I have known Black men who love and enjoy the company of BW and other women even though they have a preference for WW. Also, preference, in the end, still doesn't determine who you will end up with at the end of the day. My godfather had a strong physical preference for tall, slender, dark-skinned BW. Instead, he ended up marrying a woman who was short, thicker, and light skinned. They have been married close to 20 years and she is the love of his life. My own father, rather or not he admits to it, has always had a strong physical preference towards White and lighter skinned women of any "race". However, he absolutely likes, loves, and admire BW of all skin tones. Thus, he could never be exclusive and he did have some dark skinned BW girlfriends in his life b/c of his love for women, in general.

So, I totally agree with you that a strong physical attraction--preference for a particular group of women has no bearing on whether or not you actually like or dislike another group of women. Since we are considering the fact that attraction and like have two different meanings. You see, I understand where you are coming from, b/c my father is the same way. I love him tremendously and I may sound cocky, but I believe I am the only woman in his life that his love for me is not questionable, and I am a BW.

Also, I do agree that the original post was meant to stir up trouble, b/c that person wanted particular answers instead of allowing the people to express how they truly felt.

Peace.

 

Yeah,
I hope you're workin out - Fat Azz.

Although your being fat has not affected the good points you make.

 

Dealing with prejudice.

:shock: That last post about you working out was uncalled for by the other poster.......but to addess your point........
Again, all I can do is affirm what I like. I have had sexual partners that were black women, I have had sexual partners that were white women.
In each case there was an attraction,but I was MORE strongly attracted to the white woman-which you have stated, but the point of contention comes when you touched upon there being a quality I find lacking in the black woman.I do not.
There is a comparison whenever there is a preference, true, but let's not fall into the seductive fallacy of saying because I like "A," "B" must be lacking.That needn't be the case. I just find it easier to state things in the positive and affirm rather than deny.
Even as an an atheist, I'd prefer the term secular humanist.I'd say I like the Dodgers rather than hating the Yankees.It's probably just semantics, but that's just my view.I never carried the idea in my head that black women weren't attractive;I just always felt attracted to white women.
You now have the floor, so to speak.

 

I told you Jeverage...
Some people do and some people don't.

Now get to the gym!!!

 

Yeah,

Well, I am taking my Fat AZZ to the gym when I am done with this paper.

Also, I have to eat the soy butter pecan frozen treat b/c I get sick from eating ice cream.

Peace.

 

O.K.

It is probably semantics. I understood perfectly well that you find other women who are not White attractive. However, you did state that you are more strongly attracted to the white women you deal with and this has to do with the physical features (a quality) that you believe is apparently missing/lacking from BW. Now, does it mean that BW are missing or lacking in anything, no. But, according to your taste and your point of view, they could be considered as lacking in the caucasion physical features you find extremely sexually attractive. However, this is not to say that BW are not attractive or you do not find them attractive.

Like I said, I like Butter Pecan ice cream (in my case soy cream) b/c it tastes great. I prefer it over others, b/c the others LACK and is MISSING the robust rich flavor that I love, which I can only get with Butter Pecan frozen treat. However, I still enjoy cookies and cream and praline flavors--they are some of the common flavors I endulge myself in b/c they taste so good, even though they are not my preference. Also, even with a preference, I get bored with the same ole same ole, I like variety.

You can definitely have an attraction for a person and find another person more attractive. However, the person you are more attracted to is offering something to your visual pleasure a little extra than the other one you also find attractive but less so. To you BW do not have that extra that you go ga-ga for, but it definitely doesn't mean you cannot be attracted to them and like them. So, I understand your position. You find all women attractive, but find WW extremely attractive b/c, according to you, they have the caucasian features that you absolutely love which can only be found on them.

I hope I explained my position better.

Peace.

 

Dealing with prejudice

Hello:
We DO have a good understanding of each other. Communication and dialogues like these have a therapeutic and healing effect in my view, because I have already seen on this thread that black women really DO want to know whether or not a black male's attraction to/or preference for a white woman is due to a subconscious hatred or rejection of the black woman.Or whether or not a black male feels that what the black woman has to offer is somehow lacking.
Well, I sincerely hope that no black woman ever feels that way, because I love and respect black women-as I do all women.Like I was saying in an earlier post, I love and respect my mother very deeply, and I genuinely feel this way without any negativity or hostility toward black women at all. Think about it:Only a black woman could have produced a black male who desires a white woman in the first place right?
Another poster put it rather succintly;in that by and large we cannot help to whom we're attracted .If the media really DID play as large an influence as the neo black sociologists would have us believe, then you'd think the number of marriages of black men to white women would be high.But it isn't.Most government statistics show a range of 3 to 5% at most.The fact is that most black men prefer black female partners.But there are those minority of black men who do not.I am in that minority, and am happy to live that way but only as an affirmation and celebration of who I am rather than as an attempt to deny or escape an essential part of myself.
Thanks again for your time.

 

I'm glad we understand each other. :lol:

I personally believe that the media does play a major role in how we understand standards of beauty, though. It is not just the media but the whole entire Black community from the family, friends, associates, school peers, and every other facet of Black life that, for the most part, which supports color and feature prejudice favoring traits closer to the White American Standard of Beauty--more true for women. Also, being reinforced on the daily in the social structures in America that light and White skin having its advantages. In my observations, even BM who date BW hold to some aspect of the mainstream standard of beauty. I believe it ranges--some on a lower scale and some on a higher scale. For instance, I have known many BM, who would not want to be with a WW, but still find lighter skin and long hair sexually appealing, or can care less about skin color as long as the hair was long and similar to the silky straight hair type. In the end, it was very rare to meet a BM who preferred a combination of dark-skin, short and kinky hair or just "natural" kinky curly thick hair regardless of length, and a flat broad nose all in one package. There had to be a "Eurocentric" balancing feature to the woman. Also, BW and BM, in general have a type, which skin color is central to their choosing rather it be light or dark. Color wars, color wars.

Also, I do believe that when you reach a certain point in your life, you do have the ability to change, even your preferences. I have done it.
Usually, people say they "can't help it" b/c they like what they do, and do not want to change. There are many things I do, I know I can change, but don't b/c I like doing them and won't change b/c they are fun, enjoyable, and I feel comfortable. Oh well.

I am not saying that you should change. That is not the impression I want to give you. You like what you like, you are happy, content, and enjoy it. No problem. I just truly believe that we "can help what we do". Yes, we are creatures of habit and circumstance, but change is always possible. Considering you are not pathological or suffering from some form of a mental illness or handicap. Also, preferences are definitely not permanent. People grow and change and this includes one tastes in food, clothes, or the opposite sex.

Peace.

 

Dealing with Prejudice

Well:
Again, I think we may have to agree to disagree here.I don't think what I am attracted to is dictated by any one else's standards but my own. I don't care what the media says about my choices, and I think the only standard of beauty that exists is in the eye of the beholder. It doesn't matter if it's blue black skin, a flat nose, kinky hair, or whatever...I have seen models in Elle magazine just like that and thought they were beautiful.And I am sure I am not alone in my feeling.
A good test to validate what I am saying is that pop culture world wide essentially promotes heterosexuality.Commercials, sit coms, songs, services like these,lol, online, etc., way more than homosexuality is promoted,but I don't think that homosexuals care what the mainstream media says, and it doesn't matter if people shout invectives at them-what have you.It still exists same as always.Well, there was also a time when it was against the law for a black man to take up with a white woman with the penalty being castration.But I doubt that stopped anything;look at all the mixed ancestry we have today around us.
So I don't know that the media influences as much as we think if it goes against our core values, our core beliefs, our core drive.
As for the "I can't help who I am attracted to" statement, you have to understand that I believe in innate attraction over conditioning.It isn't that social conditioning deosn't influence;but let's go back to the example of being gay.I am sure most gay people for an example, have been told over and over they are wrong for what they feel, but that doesn't change the way they feel.Maybe they cover it up, but deep down........I think the same goes for attraction.Even if I repeat the same thing over and over again to myself a part of me is never fooled on a subconscious level if the new affirmation goes against what you fundamentally believe in or know to be true for yourself.
So, I don't have all the answers, but I'd be willing to wager that in certain parts of the world the symbol of beauty may be something totally different other than skin tone.I mean, in more homogenized societies where there aren't a lot of Europeans at all, do you think beauty is still dictated by a Eurocentric model?
It's your turn.

 

We are all influenced by our environment to one degree or another.
The media, for those who watch it on a continuous basis, is apart of that environment. What amount of influence it has on any given individual will only be determined by that person’s interaction with other forces within their own environment.

We may not like it but that’s just the way it is with ALL societies and cultures.

 

Dealing with Prejudice

Hello:
The operative word is "degree" here. Again, if we're talking about hot weather, I suppose I'll wear less clothing-ditto for the opposite.
I'm not saying I am totally independent of any environment; even the words I type are a construction based upon the environment of language and grammar.
But is it really intellectually honest to say the media has a direct role in my being attracted to white females?What about the guy next to me who's been exposed to all I have been exposed to and then some-who isn't attracted to white females at all? I hold to the view that it's something you awaken to, just like sexuality.
So, yes, to a degree we're influenced by environment-sometimes environment can dictate choices if we allow it to.I still think holding to the core of your essence, "being true to one's own use of....." can overcome our environs.That's why I was say that a man can emerge from some of the harshest conditions and still come out on top or them.Just my view on it.