Barack Obama Wins Democratic Nomination for President

I truly worry for his safety, you have complete nut jobs like Hal Turner out there (I hate to give any pub to his sick site, but the guy is calling for the murder of Obama). Obama is truly making history, I am not sure I trust the early polls that say he can beat McCain in November. Must say that I am not thrilled about Obama's plan to roll back the temporary tax cuts, but now that his is the official nominee, I will research him further.

 

all i know is that there's goin to be plenty of jubilant black folk, if he wins.

will he make a good president? I don't know.

will his election inspire and motivate other black people in this country (especially the ones who have lived long enough to experience harsh racism and national societal limits, based on color, first hand)? yes

can he do any worse than bush? nope

 

McCain's gonna drop so many states in the general, he's gonna cry.

Barack will win by a landslide.

The Kid Rasta 8)

 

Go Barack!!!! Obama country. Let's just say that my fiancee and I have already been donning our "Obama'08" material so we've been vindicated.

Now i'm not ready to call anything but this election would be anything but a landslide for either party. Bush, and the Republicans by extension, might be unpopular but i still am unconvinced (white) Americans - of all parties - are ready to pull that lever one more time. By God's grace, i hope i'm wrong and/or delusional but there is ample evidence to suggest my fears aren't far-fetched. Obama got crushed in West Virginia by 41 points. He couldn't win Massachusetts, by far the most liberal state in the Union - well, maybe Vermont is but you see what i'm getting at. Coming into the election, he'd have a deficit of about 100 electoral votes - many/most of them coming from the Southern and lower midwestern states such as Kansas, Kentucky and Arkansas. Missouri is still a tossup for now but you know dude has got his work cut out for him.

 

LaydeezmanCris, I do agree in that when white people go into the voting booth McCain has a chance to win. Unfortunately, after seeing a 71 year old man trying to inspirer a nervous nation compare to a 46 year old man who can command arena of crowds.

Well, don't take my word for it. Look below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aMDJP4VxY4

 

Obama will never wins states like WV or KY, the same way Hillary could never win MS or GA. Fortunately, You don't have to win any of those 4 states to win the election. Hillary won Massachusetts because that state was one of the early voting states that Obama didn't have enough time to campagin in. Hillary won because of the early voting and because of name recognation. There is no doubt Obama would win Mass in the general election. I recommend visiting RCP, it has polling data on how Obama fairs against Mccain in battle ground states you need to win in the GE.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

 

1. I am so happy that he is the nominee.

2. I am scared to death for his safety and that of his family. I am scared that he will get assinated before the election so whoever is his VP will be the nominee, this will lead to riots like we have never seen and make America look like crap before the rest of the world. I will even go as far to say that I think poeple within our own governement would plan his assination.

3. If #2 does not happen (which I hope to GOD it doesn't). I think he will win.

4. He will win Massachusetts, no way is this state ever going Republican. All my white liberal friends who were pro-Hillary say they will vote or Obama. This state might be liberal as hell, but racism still runs deep in many parts and we stay out of the small towns.

 

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If John McCain wins by a big margin, then America is truly a racist country.

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So, if we vote for Obama purely because he is black, does that make us any less racist?

I see so many people on here that are going to vote for Obama because he is black, and yet we don't want white people to vote for a white dude because they are racist?

Talk about hypocrisy at its finest.

 

So, if we vote for Obama purely because he is black, does that make us any less racist?

I see so many people on here that are going to vote for Obama because he is black, and yet we don't want white people to vote for a white dude because they are racist?

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I take it you are a John McCain fan?

I don't think Obama (a black man) would have let thousands of black people (some white people too) to fend for themselves at the New Orleans Superdome for 5 days without food or water.

I stand by my comment.

 

I take it you are a John McCain fan?

I don't think Obama (a black man) would have let thousands of black people (some white people too) to fend for themselves at the New Orleans Superdome for 5 days without food or water.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly howie

 

Katrina was fuking bullsh*t..

the crap that happened afterwards was even worse...

the bit about the late ass government response to new orleans, a city which has a black majority....

I like the way you think, bosox

 

He plans to take the tax burden off the middle class and increase are capital gains tax. (Which there would be no need to do if not for this horrific and exspensive war we're waging in Iraq.)

And thats bad how?...

 

Somebody's glass had a little too much gin and not enough juice.

 

Be careful what you ask for here, while I agree we should all pay our fair amount of taxes, and that corporate welfare is out of control, increasing the tax burden on individuals with higher incomes, who tend to be business owners and investors, could very well cause the unintended effect of causing those business owners to cut back on their expenses (i.e. employees) or increase the rate of businesses going overseas for cheaper labor and more favorable tax laws. I would also argue that increasing the capital gains tax is simply punishing those who are successful, the very same people who tend to create businesses that create jobs and opportunities for others.

I can certainly agree with you on wasteful government spending, our government has spent more than it has taken in in taxes every year since 1969, and we are adding $1.4 billion PER DAY to our national debt http://halfwaytoconcord.com/national-debt-grows-by-14-billion-per-day/

 

Holy cow, an intelligent member on this board that doesn't just see "taxing rich=better?" About time, someone who went to college and sees that the picture is not just clear cut. Businesses who are highly taxed will get rid of expendable employees, and waste. Very good post, however....

I disagree somewhat about the national debt....national debt really means nothing when our GDP per capita is as high as it has ever been.

 

I see your point about GDP and agree somewhat, however, the Bush administration has been trying to negotiate with China (who own a substantial portion of our debt, and keep buying more) to stop buying so much as it puts too much power over our economy in their hands, even if it is just the perception of power, which can be just as powerful as real power in some cases. They are not having much luck of late, as it is kind of hard to negotiate with your banker after you already owe them an obscene amount of money. GDP is important but 'we the people" must hold our politicians responsible for sound monetary and fiscal policies, I mean for crying out loud, last year, '07, was the first year since the great depression, over 70 years ago, where we had a negative 1% savings rate in this country, the average family spent more than they earned all of last year, deficit spending carries a heavy, heavy price when the party finally ends, whether it is individuals or our government.

 

Its not about just "taxing the rich." Its about relieving the tax burden that has put on the working class and the poor. This country was running like a fine-tuned engine when Clinton was in office and the capital gains tax was...well whatever it was, it was higher than what it is now and it was working...and EVERYONE was happy.

Then "W" comes along along and starts fiddling with sh*t, throws a monkey wrench in the game plan the next thing you know working class people are eating their fingernails for lunch.

And you know whats funny...conservatives always complain about increases in capital gains tax and the minimum wage, saying that its gonna cause the loss of jobs. But every time either one is increased we experience economic growth. Go figure...

 

Jelly, im sure you know that any tax cuts cannot be made by any one person, even the president, Bush was certainly a proponent of the cuts, but congress (conservatives, AND liberals) voted for the current situation. These two articles make a pretty compelling case for my original point that increasing taxes is a shortsighted solution with long term negative implications.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm351.cfm
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital...-a-massive-hike-in-social-security-taxes.html

I mean why would anyone want to work hard to increase their income, and start companies to benefit others, if it means a possible 50% TAX RATE?!?!?!?!? (as per the second article). That is just insanity.

 

Actually the Country was running like a well oiled machine between WW2 and Kennedy.

After that, even with Repubs in office (Eisenhower) it still ran well. Eisenhower a WAR HERO, A REAL ONE) warned us about the "Industrial Military Complex", he coined the term...

So this country has been in the business of making un-win-able and unpopular Wars since then!

As Noam Chomsky said -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZQOVJGVXjo&feature=related


He's been speaking out since the 50's...

Anyway...

Those of the "Shock Economics" 101, they understands very well, that Jobs, well paying is the driver of any good economy. But it also leads to social discourse because the people believe they have SAY in all Government issues.

They don't want you to have that say and have that control. Because you make it less possible for them to do the shady backdoor dealings that make them more money than they could ever spend.

Putting the tax burden back on the uber Rich is where it belongs, those with the most HELP those with the lease. Nobody generally complained but those that already had 7 digits next to their names, they wanted 8, 9, 10 digits because they feel money is a "buffer zone" between them and the rest of the country and because they are rich they believe they know what's best.

Obama has alot of work ahead of him and he cannot afford mistakes, the right will admit defeat this time around as they know McSain is not that much of a viable candiate and that will come to light even more as we go on.

He has to have the troops out of Iraq in less than a year

He has to push the forward with all the change we need.

Just the help the Gov will fund in Green Tech will skyrocket job creation.

Then we have to rebuild America, that will take him beyond his 2 terms if he gets 8 years, but will put us on a path to have safer, smoother roads, high speed rail systems and rebuild public utilities.

Lots of work to be done and we have to hold his feet to the fire and hold Congress accountable!

This was ONCE a great Nation in need of some social work, Now its a shell of a Nation in need of complete rebuilding and HEALING!