"Babysitters" rape 12 week old baby!

Yeah, but what happens when there is another serial rapist or killer on the loose somewhere in society? It happens ALL the time, and no matter how much you sentence them to death, here comes another one.

 

sardonic: we have one of the most violent sociopaths in the California Prison System. He got Life and NOT Death, His name is Charles Manson!! Just because we gave him Life without Parole, doesnt mean there are no more serial killers--in fact we had an explosion of them since the 70s when he was on the rampage. So, Life in prison doesnt stop it either. thats why we allow state by state to decide what they will do with their prison population.

 

To kill the murderer is society's solution to their fear of the truth: that you can't end murder itself. It is part of a thinking which prefers doing something to doing nothing even in the face of a problem which proves impossible to solve due to humankind's essential nature.

 

That's not what I said, tuck. I said that killing these murderers and rapists won't stop other serial murderers and rapists from going out an terrorizing people and ruining their lives, only to have them elude the police for years and years, and then break down and cry on national TV when they are finally apprehended, supposedly feeling 'ashamed and sad' about what they did, but can't fix the damage they have already done to others, nor reverse it.

 

excuse me Sardonic, but please go back and read what you wrote. You didnt write what you just posted. You didnt go into the specifics, therefore it could not be taken that you meant anything but what you said in the beginning.

anyhow, it has nothing to do with what I was saying--but your statement is taken.

Commit the crime of murder, unless it was in self defense or an accident, and you should get life. If it is as severe as Raping a woman or child or man even and killing them, then it should be Death. If it is Like Stanley Tookie Williams; the guy who murdered James Byrd in Texas, Mumia Abu Jamal or Ira Einhorn--they deserve what they got or will get, Death Penalty.

 

Yes, I did. I said serial rapists and killers the first time.

You keep talking about Tookie when I and everyone else already knows about him, and we are still against the death penalty for reasons I already stated. If you kill one, then you'll have to kill another and another over and over again, which is why I went into MORE specifics about how the trials turn out, which for some reason, offended you.

Just let the bastards rot in prison. They are still going to die anyway, and they may end up killing each other. If so, then the problem kind of goes away on it's own.

 

I agree with Sardonic (yes! lol) and I do not think a death penalty is right and isnt most times either.
Besides, a baby does not know this has happened, and the people who do know have the choice to tell him/her in 15 years etc and if they do tell then the child still does not remember, it is bad yes but it is much worse to have this memory in your mind every day than knowing it happened at some time but not remembering/experienceing it. Also as the child doesnt feel what has happened so he/she can still live a nice and normal life.
For me I would prefere the baby daughter of me to be raped than my 17 year old daughter. (Not that I would wish this to happen ever :roll: )

 

[quote='Sup.]I agree with Sardonic (yes! lol) and I do not think a death penalty is right and isnt most times either.
Besides, a baby does not know this has happened, and the people who do know have the choice to tell him/her in 15 years etc and if they do tell then the child still does not remember, it is bad yes but it is much worse to have this memory in your mind every day than knowing it happened at some time but not remembering/experienceing it. Also as the child doesnt feel what has happened so he/she can still live a nice and normal life.
For me I would prefere the baby daughter of me to be raped than my 17 year old daughter. (Not that I would wish this to happen ever :roll: )[/quote]

I'm afraid you're completely wrong on your facts there, 'Sup. There is no real evidence, no, that a baby would remember a very traumatic experience like this later in life: although some babies and very young children who were raped have remembered the pain and the fear vividly, some have not. However, one webpage about the phenomenon in South Africa details some of the physical consequences for babies:

"At the Red Cross Children’s Hospital in Cape Town, Dr Sebastian van As who heads the trauma unit, says that long term physical consequences of sexual assaults in small children include dysuria (pain when urine is passed which leads to them becoming frightened to urinate), temporary urinary incontinence (urine leaks out), perineal infection (an abscess or wound of the perineum that resists healing) and ecopresis (when they are unable to keep the stool in). In the rape of infants the perineum gets ripped and the vagina and anus become a single wound. “If the rupture extends into the abdomen the children develop peritonitis and die within a day. These children have scar tissue that will ensure they will never have a completely normal sex life.�"

(Source, http://www.nai.uu.se/newsfromnai/arkiv/2003/smithsve.html)

In addition to which, rape of anyone is a heinous crime which, in my opinion, is only nominally 'better' than murder - the only reason sentencing ought not to reflect this is that there is still nothing worse than the taking of someone else's life without their consent, however it is done.

 

Oh yes that is true. I didnt think of physical damage like that you are right. But how can a 12 week baby remember such things?? :shock: or anything at all? Most peoples 1st memory is about age 3 or something.
Still I dont think death penalty.

 

[quote='Sup.]I agree with Sardonic (yes! lol) and I do not think a death penalty is right and isnt most times either.
Besides, a baby does not know this has happened, and the people who do know have the choice to tell him/her in 15 years etc and if they do tell then the child still does not remember, it is bad yes but it is much worse to have this memory in your mind every day than knowing it happened at some time but not remembering/experienceing it. Also as the child doesnt feel what has happened so he/she can still live a nice and normal life.
For me I would prefere the baby daughter of me to be raped than my 17 year old daughter. (Not that I would wish this to happen ever :roll: )[/quote]

Just because a baby may not remember what has happened, that doesn't make it more acceptable than if an adult!

It has been proved that very early trauma (even birth) can have an influence on the rest of an infants life. And that's just psychological...I don't even want to go into the physical side of it.

 

[quote='Sup.]Oh yes that is true. I didnt think of physical damage like that you are right. But how can a 12 week baby remember such things?? :shock: or anything at all? Most peoples 1st memory is about age 3 or something.
Still I dont think death penalty.[/quote]

The brain remembers traumatic events perfectly well even if you can't summon up a memory at will: if anything this is worse, perhaps the memory will be repressed but the fear remain, interfering with the child's connections to other people without them knowing why. And there would be no chance of the child not finding out that something had happened to it after being so severely mutilated, I guess it depends what degree of truth its carers choose to divulge.

Interesting link: http://www.istss.org/publications/ChildhoodTraumaRemembered.pdf

 

And also which time in the child's life do they tell him/her ?

 

To add to this, a 6 year old girl was having a bath in her house, when a man came in, took her away then repeatedly sexually assaulted her before dumping her naked in the street.

This happened in December, but I have only just heard it on Crime watch as they still haven't found the man who did it. Are our children not safe in their own baths anymore?!