An opinion on the social impact of Rachel Jeantel

I don't know. Michael, are you?

 

I thought he was african?

 

I vaguely remember him mentioning it.

Don't call him that. He gets offended easily.

 

Corrected. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

I think MS meant that Mikey gets offended if he is referred to as an African. I don't think he would have chosen the screen name "Mikey" for himself if he found it offensive.

 

In the words of the great Homer Simpson: "D'oh!"

 

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This guy is the classic example of how I expected Rachel Jeantel to respond. If the case was based on him, I would believe that Zimmerman would be going to prison. He not only has a believable demeanor but refutes the comments!

 

I think that, in the anti-Jeantel attacks, society is showing its inherent class and/or race bias that makes one person believable and another not believable solely on the basis of perceived education, social status or perceived ignorance. Poor, rude illiterates are just as capable of telling the truth (and some would say more so) than the polished, polite and well-educated. I didn't find Ms. Jeantel to be not believable, just lacking formal education and experience outside of the confines of her community. I think she's just as believable as anyone else.

 

I feel that a liar is less believable than a guy who is truthful. The defense had to withdraw his impeachment(not familiar with the lawyer lingo) because Trayvon's brother was so ridiculously truthful. It isn't her attitude. It isn't her lack of education. It is that she lied about several things that make her less believable. Jahvaris, trayvon's brother, smashed any hopes of the defense defending Zimmerman and set the bar high for all older brother's defending their younger brother. You put your game face on when you are trying to defend someone who you believe has been murdered. You don't lie about your age. You don't lie about your location during trayvon's funeral. :smt011 Just crazy the way she did things. the only rescue I could give to her is that she is 19 years old. This is not an excuse to do so much lying. a 10 year old knows better. I understand her age doesn't matter. I understand where she was doesn't matter. I just don't know if the jury will do the same. Why someone would even put such a risk into a case for a murdered friend is beyond me.


My concern is not about her image but that Trayvon gets justice. This woman did him no service with those lies. Did she really think that the state of florida wouldn't have her age on record? They had that stuff on record before she even knew how to say the word age. I feel that people who sit and defend her care more about her being defended as what she is and less about how she should have put aside everything to defended a person she believes to have been murdered. Don't give the jurors any reason what so ever to believe your story is wrong.



edit: this post may have been to emotional. I understand folks defending her because other people are smashing her based on image but my problem is not the image but the contents of her character that may cause trayvon some injustice.(assuming zimmerman started the fight.)

 

When you impeach testimony, you are disputing it as contradicting other statements. If the question is do I feel that she does a disservice to the prosecutor's case, then yes. Do I feel that she deserves all the vitriol and nastiness directed at her? No. My defense of her is based solely on the fact that she's a dumb, ignorant kid like most kids, and that the attacks against her are as much about who/what she is as they are the substance of her remarks and their impact on the case. And of course she is not conducting herself correctly. Being on the stand discussing your friend who was murdered as you listened is not a normal state of affairs for anyone.

And the sad truth about what the jury believes is that the average person on a jury is as moved by their bias as they are by the argument.

 

You know how many people get called as witnesses for trails and lie about stuff that they shouldn't lie about? Do you know how many people lie about things that are far worse than what she may have lied about and far more relevant to a case? More than a few. And regularly I'd be willing to bet. Including the very people who are defendants. Not excusing her lies, but just saying. There are far more worst liars & lies told than she was & what she lied about regularly in court.

 

I agree with those two questions and answers. I agree that it is not a normal state of affairs but someone had to pull her aside and say hey this isn't your time. Treyvon needs you to pull yourself together and make sure the defense doesn't even dream of getting an inch on the prosecutor. Someone had to have said that to her.

 

I'm not excusing them either. I'm not saying she needs to be brought up on prejury but It didn't help this case. She should have simply told the truth. nothing would have hurt her. Now I can only sit and wonder how the jury will take it in. I hate to see anything derail this case and it could be simple things like that that could do it.

 

I have the sinking feeling that, like any dumb kid who realizes late in the game that they're in the middle of a media circus, they get overwhelmed and clown for the cameras. There's no excuse for it, but she's just doing what the average moron does. Exhibit A: Paris Hilton. Exhibit B: Amanda Bynes. And on and on and on... Think about all those fools trying to get in the camera frame behind a reporter covering some crime.

 

Considering how this whole drama has play out, especially with how the police just took Zimmerman's word about the shooting and let him walk in the first place, Jeantel & her testimony are the very last & least things to be upset about in this entire sorry mess.

 

The police department and zimmerman have confused the heck out of me. the guy was brought on charges for battery on a police officer. You would think that that is something that the police department would not look too kindly on. Yet, he was treated so nicely. When a guy has a dad for a judge, he certainly knows how to get out of trouble.

 

in todays testimony zimmermans friends listened to the 911 tapes and heard zim say punks and other foul stuff but consigned on it....and no one is saying shit. is that odd on how things changed or flipped

 

Not odd. Expected.

 

Consign the hell out of this!
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The cops that initially let him walk, and got the case taken away from them, obviously feel jilted and have a bone to pick and save face. They want to make sure their initial assessment stands. Of course they will back up their initial fucked up assessment and side with Zimmerman. Glaring. Their testimony is worth as much as ice on the north pole.