30+ and i've never had a girlfriend--

Or they try to manipulate you into "being like the others," because they think it looks bad. My younger brother always tells me not to vanish or go outside because he likes for the family to be together. I cannot really talk to my family of what's going on with me. Maybe I could with my niece and nephew. But not my brother, sister in-law,sister, father and mother. If I do try they are often quick to put their two cents in and not really understanding what's going on.

 

I think your analogy is unfair because bomb disposal requires technological precision, whereas sociology is considered a 'soft science' and that's why specialists are called social theorists. They form theories based on observation, which is what I do, and I feel that many of mine are generally accurate.

 

I get what you are saying but you have formed an hypothesis. Testing is required in order to develop a relevant theory. In other words if you get out and date you will obtain enough knowledge and experience to reject your own hypothesis that "women usually have poor social skills". Before you can refer to anything as a science you must acknowledge the quantitative aspects. Its ok to respect your intuition, but to confuse it with social science is a blunder.

 

I agree with you. Experience is required to make a truly informed opinion but with that said I've dated a lot and I do agree a lot of women do have poor social skills when it comes to dating since they usually expect to be entertained and rarely reciprocate in the beginning. A lot of times that shit is kind of like an interview.

 

Utter bullshit. :smt120 I seriously wonder where you get this stuff sometimes.

 

Life experience woman, A LOT of women think it's enough to just get ready and look pretty. I'm rarely asked any good questions nor are they really that funny. When we laugh its usually us laughing at something I said. I pay close to attention to this boo. It may not be how you are but you'd really surprised at how many women use their pussy and looks as a way to cruise through life rarely ever developing a personality.
#reallifetruestory

 

without my pussy and looks i'm shit. i agree with fanny, a lot of women are socially dense with not a lick of comedy in them

 

Wow you know it's real when the queen agrees with the king :freehug:

 

If you routinely see people stuck with those kind of women...there's usually a reason. Top shelf men don't usually get stuck with bottom of the barrel women. Just like you argue that there are many good men out there (which I whole heartedly agree with), there are an equal number of quality women. The good ones don't just fall into your lap though. You have to be willing to be patient. If you try to date anyone who looks your way, you can't complain when half of them turn out to be crap. Be a little selective in who you spend your time with.

 

Are you kidding? Many top shelf men end up with these kinds of women. The societal expectations for men and women are totally different. 50 cent may a great observation, I'm paraphrasing, "being a highly attractive woman is pretty much the same as being a famous well accomplished man". Being attractive as a woman is usually enough to keep people around.
And when I use the term good men, I'm actually using the definition many if not most women use which. Stable, faithful, caring, attentive, and fun but yet seem to go for aloof, mysterious, and more physically desirable. A lot of women constantly say its not about looks yet the guys they go for and pine for usually exemplify alpha male characteristics not the beta male. Personally I think most females want an alpha bed them but a beta to raise their kids with, but that's a whole different topic.

 

Are we really quoting 50 cent? Has it come to that? Lol

I disagree that being attractive is enough to keep someone around. Even if it were, if someone is shallow enough to settle for just a pretty face, they kind of deserve what they get IMO. People should be more selective in who they spend their time with. Don't just date any ol person who looks your way, and if you do...can't complain when they turn out to be less than stellar. Should've been more selective up front.

 

Looks and status versus the heart. It is as clear as tap water. Yet, one is chosen above others. And whatever the reason, it is more of an aesthetic choice than a emotional choice. The outside world sees aesthetic choices but not the emotional ones. It becomes an issue of superficiality.

 

First off say what you want about but dude is a fricking genius. Listen to one interview with him about business and he'll blow your mind.
Secondly its really easy for a woman to preach being selective when you aren't burden with emotional mind field that is approaching women.
And to be honest think about it men never ever complain about wanting to hang out with women socially, I never hear men say "I don't really like hanging out with dudes they aren't really fun I'd rather hang out with women". It is infinitely harder to find a fun women opposed to fun men.

 

There's your answer.

 

^^^^so furry :smt078

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on 50 cent...I've never seen an interview with him so I retract my previous judgment

I agree with you day in and day out that it's easier for women. We don't have to approach anyone, we don't have to stress about much of anything. But that doesn't mean women just sit back and expect to be "entertained". Those are the types of comments that make you look spiteful.

And I think finding "fun" women might be hard for men because often times interests are different between many men and women. Yet you make it seem like it's because there aren't many fun women around. Honestly, the only reason I have male friends is because I have an obsession with cars, music and sports! If I didn't have those interests, these dudes probably wouldn't think I'm as cool as I am I think it's so much more about mutual interests, not so much gender necessarily.

 

I don't understand this forum sometimes it's impossible to have an opposing view without sounding "spiteful"
I personally don't have a hard time meeting women I want to meet and having the kind of physical relationships I want but it doesn't stop me from observing what's going on. It's the same thing with the height thing, I'm not a short guy but I can observe how being short can restrict a guy's dating life. I can also see the hypocrisy in what a lot of women say they want. You don't have to be "spiteful" to notice what's going on.
And again you're making it a you thing but look around listen to what people say. I would bet a month's pay that nearly every single guys has heard the phrase "I have way more guy friends than female friends. Girls are catty and bitchy" That says something, it's almost like there's a societal personality disorder when it comes to women because they don't even want to really hang out with each other.
And I want to make it clear I really love women, I enjoy being around their energy, I enjoy a woman's laugh, her scent, her aura. However many if not most lack humor. I can count one hand how many funny women I've encountered in my life.

 

I would say the same about men I've met. And, for the most part, I interact with intelligent, educated, accomplished men. I can count on one hand the number of men who actually cared enough about my life to ask me personal questions (as opposed to simply waiting for me to volunteer the information), and even fewer who asked thought-provoking questions. I crave intellectual/emotional connection and I rarely find that which is perplexing considering the kind of guy I'm attracted to.

 

Interesting. How can you tell they're intelligent without the intelligent conversation portion?

 

They did all the talking. I asked the questions.

 

my view:

guys get OVERLY butthurt when they get dissed approaching a woman. guys need to figure out a proper approach for each situation (nite club versus grocery store for example)