25 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

First of all, there are NO GUNS being smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico.
In fact it's the other way around. THat's what Fast and Furious was meant to track; what happens to firearms purchased 'legally' on our side of the border and where do they end up??

Well surprise, surprise. When you let an unemployed American citizen walk into a U.S. border gun shop with $50,000 in cash and buy whatever he wants, he isn't purchasing those guns for his personal use. He's a straw buyer usually for a Mexican drug gang runner.:smt018

And don't talk to me about the failure of ATF/U.S. Border Patrol. The Republicans and the gun lobby have so successfully gutted the effectiveness of the former by defunding it until the ONE government agency responsible for regulating guns, has a director of that agency who's a PART TIME employee.:roll:

Make no mistake, the reason Mexico has become a narco state is because U.S. guns are arming the drug cartels with our super lax gun laws. Thank you NRA.

There's over 300 million guns estimated in the United States. Does anyone think it's made us safer??
We should have a goal to eliminate half to two-thirds of the guns in the U.S. by 2022.

Just like you can't remove a VIN number from a car, there are ways to permanently identify a gun by its manufacturer that don't rely on an antiquated serial number that can be altered by its owner.

 

Sir like drugs guns will not go away or even be reduced by banning or adding heavier regulations.
When it comes to illegal goods that people think they need there will ALWAYS be those willing to fulfill those needs so if you think that guns wont come throw Mexico or some other way you sure as hell havent been paying attention to the drug war.
Also the washing post just posted an article citing that gun violebce is the lowest its ever been per capita in this country. Im assuming thats excluding the civil war. So maybe guns have actually made us safer. Kind of like the cold war. No one is willing to fire their nukes if they think you got one and can do the same dqmage. Of course Im speculating but it does add the psychology of spree killers. They only seem to fuck with people who cant fight bqck. Just a thought.
I dont understand how you and I are opposite on this

 

We're not opposite.
I'm in favor of actually enforcing gun regulations(and fully funding ATF again), much more stringent background checks for all gun sales and a national database for all guns AND gun owners, no internet sales and less overall guns on the street.

It's just too easy to get guns and the government does a poor job of tracking them IMO.

In my fantasy I wish every gun manufactured was embedded with a microchip GPS tracking device so we could know were all guns were at any time.

I'm not for banning guns altogether.

The state of Connecticut should have required Lanz's mother to report whether or not there was someone living in her household who was mentally compromised, and her guns should have been secured at all times.

One undeniable fact is that violent crime and gun crime are both at statistical lows nationally.

 

LOL. Right?
The pro gun side acts as though measures couldn't be enacted now (but..but..OMIGAWDZ! They've NEVER done it like that BEFORE!..so doing it now couldn't possibly help RIGHT NOW!)....news flash..
If you keep doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results..well, I'm sure all the "sane" gun hoarders in 'murika can finish that sentence.
Like changing something NOW won't impact future generations..oh, wait..recycling and climate change AWARENESS.
My bad.

And WHY are VIN numbers not removed?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
Hello?.....

 

There you go being logical again...careful, tdk will tell you what an idiot you are in a minute because he has nothing to refute it like he did with me.

 

As a gun owner, I agree with the measures being proposed below, especially closing the gun show loophole, that is long overdue IMO. I would like to see more enforcement of the serious penalties for owners/parents/adults who leave their weapons unlocked and/or accessible to others. High fines and/or jail time for those irresponsible enough to leave their weapons unattended would go a long way in preventing Sandy Hook type tragedies. If a person can afford a gun, they can afford a finger-print or code key safe to store it in, they are surprisingly affordable.

"Obama said he believed most Americans support the reinstatement of a ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons, barring the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips and a law requiring background checks on buyers before all gun purchases, to stop sales at gun shows without such checks."

http://news.yahoo.com/biden-head-gun-policy-push-newtown-shootings-110349422--finance.html

 

what is the intended/primary use of gas and the intended/primary use of a gun?

If zimmerman didnt have a gun then he wouldnt have had the guts to go see if trey was a perp or not. also if he did both would just have had bruises and a broke nose.

shotgun ......not an assualt rifle. also assam who killed a gunman at a church shooting stated on peirs morgan last night responding to statements that if the teachers had guns they would have stop the shooting...she basically stated that would be a bad idea arming a teacher. Im a cop. Im trained. teachers are not trained for that nor should they be put in a position because you have to be called for that. the stress in a gun fight would overwhelm them.
http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/videos/5955796-church-shooting-the-heroism-of-jeanne-assam

also two cops shot innocent bystanders what the in the world do you think you would be able to do if you were at that school or the theater if cops missed. the reports say in that gun fight 1 in 5 bullets hit the criminal between two cops. wow and you will do better?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ing-nypd-bullets-shot-all-nine_n_1830007.html

 

also the perspective gun owner need a mental evaluation, gun certification test and drug test.

any violent crime and drunk driving or drunken disorderly conduct will disqualify you

you can not have more than a 10 round clip

only single shot hand guns. semiautomatics are illegal. not saying bolt action only. just you can only have a maximum burst of one round per pull of a trigger.

all guns sold to private citzens must be registered including private sales to another private citizen and each gun sold the must meet all standards. the new owner must always take test no matter if this their 2nd gun or not and a mental test and drug test must be done on each purchase.

drug test and mental test and back round search must be done every two or three years (or something like that)

military style weapons should be banned.

 

so if thats the case explain why 34 people die a day in america due to gun violence.

 

exactly. toooooo fucking many facts versus their fucking bullshit neoconservatism

 

LOL. you shitting me right

 

Oh, no. Huntress. You have it all wrong and you and I are the crazy ones.

Because as we all know (and stats will bare out again and again) people with guns stop other people with guns from killing other people.

I'm sure if nancy Lanza had had guns in the first place NONE of this would have happened.

 

She's totally not.

The other part of the equation she's not deliberately leaving out is that while crime may be down.

Gun related deaths by...wait for it...guns is at an...wait for it again..high.


Ta-dah!

Isn't magic fun!

 

So which is it? Regulation or banning? Because if nancy lanza didnt legally obtain guns them someone woyldnt have been to steal them from her right? And again with anecdotes all though we have the most guns theres ever been in the US yet this is the lowest era of gun violence.
I thought lots of guns meant more gun violence huh

 

aaaww classic

 

•The mortality rate from accidental shootings is 8 times higher in the four states with the most guns compared to the four states with the fewest guns (Miller, 2001, p. 481).

•For kids ages 5 to 14, the mortality rate is 14 times higher in high gun states than low gun states (Miller, 2001, p. 481).

•For kids ages 0 to 4, the mortality rate is 17 times higher in high gun states than low gun states (Miller, 2001, p. 481).

•For every age group, where there are more guns there are more accidental deaths (Miller, 2001, p. 483).

•For adults, keeping a gun in the home quadruples the risk of dying of an accidental gunshot wound (Wiebe, 2003).

•In 2007, 613 people died from an unintentional shooting. To see a breakdown of unintentional firearm deaths by age, click here.

•In 2009,18,610 people were wounded in an unintentional shooting but survived (National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC).

DID YOU KNOW? A third of homes contain guns, many of them readily accessible.
•Thirty-three percent of U.S. households contain a gun (Pew, 2009), and half of gun-owning households don't lock up their guns, including 40 percent of households with kids under age 18 (Johnson, p. 175).


•Both firearm prevalence and questionable storage practices (i.e. storing firearms loaded and unlocked) are associated with higher rates of unintentional firearm deaths (Miller, 2005, p. 665).


•A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a completed or attempted suicide (11x), criminal assault or homicide (7x), or unintentional shooting death or injury (4x) than to be used in a self-defense shooting (Kellermann, p. 263).
•Most unintentional shooting deaths occur in the home (65 percent), based on data from 16 states. The most common context of the death (30 percent) was playing with the gun (Karch, 2010).


•In almost half of unintentional shooting deaths (49 percent), the victim is shot by another person. In virtually all of these cases, the shooter and victim knew each other (Hemenway, p. 1184).

 

Title: States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Deaths

Publication Date: June 2010

What does it say?

States with higher gun ownership and weaker gun laws have more gun deaths while states with a lower percentage of households with guns and strong gun laws have lower numbers of gun deaths.



Citation

Violence Policy Center. States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Deaths, Washington, DC: Violence Policy Center, June 2, 2010.

 

Title: Drive-By America

Publication Date: July 2010

What does it say?

This study follows up a 2007 report on shootings from vehicles at individuals, buildings, or other vehicles. This new edition collects data from the Google news search engine from July 1 to December 1, 2008.

Researchers found that 154 people were killed and 631 individuals were injured in 733 drive-by shootings in the six-month period. California led the country in the number of reported incidents, with 148 drive-by shootings that killed 40 and injured 129. The next highest included Texas, Florida, Illinois, and Washington. Only four states (Maine, New Hampshire, South Dakota, and Wyoming) did not have an incident during the study period.

Almost half of all shootings targeted a home, followed another vehicle or a bicycle. Incidents occurred most commonly between 7:00 p.m. and midnight and peaked in August. Possible gang involvement was noted in 17 percent of the incidents.



Citation

Violence Policy Center, Drive-By America (Second Edition), July 2010.

 

Why don't you answer your own questions first, hmmmm?

 

I had owned only two handguns in my lifetime. A stainless steel Smith & Wesson 686 38/357 magnum and a Beretta 92FS, also stainless. I had been invited to join the NRA after purchasing the Beretta. I did not join. I did not need them. In the wake of this extremely terrible tragedy, I think what will be needed is awareness, common sense gun laws, background checks, education(know your guns and their purposes like hunting, target shooting and home defense) and mental health issues. I don't see me purchasing an AR-15, AK-47-74, Steyr Aug carbine or other assault rifle in the future. These belong on the battlefield in the hands of soldiers and law enforcement officers. The closest to a military style rifle that I would purchase is a Springfield Armory M1 Garrand in 30-06 or an M14 with a 10 round magazine. Ten rounds is good. More than that and you're making a statement that you intend to kill people. A 12-guage shotgun is also good to have. Mossberg has tactical shotguns with a 9 round capacity. And a shotgun is very versatile. On handguns, I would choose a 1911 .45 caliber pistol a Smith & Wesson M625 45 ACP revolver and a Smith & Wesson 686 38/357 magnum. These are the only weapons I might use if I had them and they would be all that I need. In the state of New Jersey, they have very strict gun laws. It is a "May Issue" state. May Issue means that it is up to the state whether or not they will allow you to be licensed to purchase or carry the firearm.You are given an application to be filled out and then a written test which costs over a hundred dollars. If approved, the purchaser will have about a year and a half to buy whatever and how many guns they choose. But the catch is that this licensing process is for every gun purchased. This is an attempt to keep illegal guns out of civilians. When I tried to apply it was in 1986. Back then in New Jersey, a citizen was allowed a revolver, a rifle(non-military) and a shotgun(not saw off or with a pistol grip stock). Semi-automatic rifles or pistols were allowed only to law enforcement and military a citizen was required going through a lot of red tape to own a semi-automatic pistol. Here in Florida, it is not as strict. But, now that will change. And I hope for the better.