25 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

Is it true that Australia has a higher Assault Victims rate than the U.S.? And Australia actually has a higher suicide rate (Even though we are right behind you on the scale)? We have a higher rate of prisoners (U.S. 2,019,234 prisoners , Australia only 22,492 prisoners), but is it that bad when we have over 100 times the amount of people in this country than Australia? Not to mention Australia's history with the Aborigines. I suppose if I lived in a country of only 22+ million I would feel a bit safer too. Oh well, I guess I am just another crazy American with a gun. But, what do I know, I haven't lived in Australia my whole life so, I guess I can't really say for sure why things are this way (And Considering that you grew up and have lived in The U.S. your entire life while simultaneously living in Australia, you might have a better understanding than I). I'm just an American. I'm happy you live in a utopia, your system isn't broke and from what you say, it's better than ours, "So keep it 100".

 

Lolz at bringing up aboriginals. How's those native Americans going?

Keeping it 100

 

Anything that proves extremely deadly and pointless and yet people push for more 'o the same is not only crazy it's insane and ignorant.

Right on America. Keep falling behind and becoming more ignorant and stupid as you go. Pretty soon you might be ashamed of yourself when you find less than savory countries have far out shadowed you in the civilized citizens department.

 

Considering Rosewood, Greenwood, COINTELPRO, Crooked Cops, The Judicial System, KKK, Neo Nazis, Just to name a few... I believe that people normally hold on to their guns as a precautionary measure because I suppose they aren't sure when someone will kick in their door and be held down in a pool of their daughter's blood by Swat. I am not sure the reason why Everyone does has a gun, and if they outlawed gun ownership I will gladly give mine up simply because I'm just a law abiding American (although I am apparently crazy as you mentioned). But, to each their own. I find it interesting that we can be considered crazy just because we may prefer a gun as a precautionary measure and we aren't suppose to take offense to that. But, when someone points out a thread (A thread that I do not agree with, but is still gaslighting similar to just calling us all crazy) about whites doing the crimes it is somehow super offensive. I agree, most people, white or black won't go around committing mass murders and I find the thread highly offensive which is why I won't post in it. But, calling us crazy for having a different opinion is quite bad on it's own. I do agree that smaller countries do quite well with no Guns. South Korea comes to mind. And I do feel much safer there. But, I also didn't worry about crooked cops, a Judicial system that is out to get me, or an FBI intiative that is literally bent on keeping me enslaved. Just my personal opinion. I am glad that Australia works for you, I am sure it would work well for me too if I was white, or maybe if I was black but, not Aborigine.

 

Not too good. You do realize that you are talking to a Black Man right? My point is that from that standpoint you aren't much better than the U.S. And as a BM that is always a concern. White privilege in the U.S. vs. AU. Either way, it's not the best situation. I made many other points and elaborated on plenty of other stats, but that is all you picked out... I see... I made about 5 points in that post, so, considering you only addressed that one I guess...

Keep it 20%?

 

For the record, I will be back in a few hours, maybe.

 

So we've gone from American gun laws to Australia's past treatment of aboriginals? Okay. Yep they have and had it tough. Absolutely. Do they need to arm themselves? No. Do they arm themselves? No. Do they have specific rights that the rest if the country, regardless of colour or race have? Yes. We as a country have and are facing what has and is happening to the native Australians.

How does this relate to America's gun laws again?

 

It means you aren't perfect and can't judge us on our imperfect behavior.
It's like trying to figure out which thief is worse. Both a pointless and stupid endeavor.

It's the "ha ha...gotcha" card and it has as much to do with the gun laws as dairy cows in WI do. But it does serve those who still think somehow we are better than everyone else because we're Americans. Because when you point out the flaws in our system and say..see? We as Australians sorta don't have this problem because we sorta figured out that guns contribute to gun deaths..we can sit back and say..
How 'bout those aboriginals, eh?'

 

Actually as I mentioned you only addressed 1 out of 5 points. But, since you keep it "20%"...

- Not exactly, my point is that you attempt to call gun owners in America crazy not actually having lived here or growing up here as a citizen. Yet, your country isn't much better and is actually worse in other areas.

- You mention that they do not need to arm themselves. I see, considering that you are not aborigine, that is just opinion and not fact (like pretty much 90% of this thread, so no worries).

- Do they arm themselves, well, not that you know of, but, then again you aren't aborigine and I am not Australian so I am basing opinions on this based on opinions and historical facts, but I really can't know how it is unless I grew up there as an aborigine (Kind of like your opinions on America).

- Some might say the same about us, but then again White privilege seems to prove otherwise, but then again, if I wanted an accurate opinion I would ask someone who is Aborigine.

I can form plenty of opinions about life in Australia from facts and figures as well as its history, but the truth is I will never know because I haven't spent my life there. Kind of like you haven't spent your life here. I can't begin to understand their plight as I am not Australian, and I am not aborigine. But, then again, you can only understand from the standpoint of an Australian. Therefore, as much as you like to point out your opinion of the U.S. from an outside perspective it is literally just that, an outside perspective. I am sure you can ask the uber-liberals in the group about gun laws in the U.S. and they may agree with you. But, you are only getting one view, and one person's personal opinion on a subject. Much like you are giving me now. You seem like a rather kind and positive person. I respect that. You normally try to keep the peace (as a moderator should) in this forum and I really respect that as well. But, calling us crazy for not agreeing with you that your country is somehow better due to a lack of guns is not going to make me invest heavily in your ideology. Just my personal opinion.

I'd like to add that I do agree that I felt safer in Non-white privilege, No guns, South Korea (which is pretty interesting considering that there are 240mm Long shooters in North Korea pointed at the Heart of Seoul, yet I felt more comfortable there not worry about crooked cops, the many issues of white privilege and so on...hmmm.... and I am not the only Black Person to feel that way). But, there is a rather extreme population difference and it seems to work more for smaller countries. I made those points in my post but, you chose to ignore them.

Keep it 20%.

To simplify it...

JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS FOR YOUR COUNTRY (IN YOUR OPINION), DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL WORK EVERYWHERE ELSE AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT DIFFERENT COUNTRIES ARE CRAZY FOR DISAGREEING WITH YOU NOR DOES IT MEAN THAT YOUR COUNTRY IS SOMEHOW BETTER THAN OURS CONSIDERING THAT NONE ARE PERFECT

 

It isn't a haha gotchya card. It's the equivalent of me telling you what it's like to be a woman. I WOULDN'T KNOW. I don't mind people being against guns, but when someone gives an outside opinion and then calls us crazy for not doing what they do then yes, I will call that out. And I see you both left out the 4 other points I made in that post. keep it 20%. Now, Back to my book. Enjoy your day.

 

How could her opinion even be considered outside? She's human is she not? She's a mother is she not? She's mortal is she not? If Australians were shooting everything to kingdom come and then some, she would live of fear for her self and her loved ones lives, would she not?

I should certainly hope the hell so. Because it means she's human and experiences the same range of hopes and fears that every other human alive experiences.

The key difference, in fact the ONLY difference is, she doesn't have to. Because when it comes to guns and gun related deaths, Australia has a handle on it.

And kudos to them for that.

 

thank you ali. i'm getting a little fed up with the fact that i'm told that i'm not allowed a view on a subject because i don't live in america.

our laws came into place because of a mass shooting and the outcry of the australian people that it was able to happen. i live in a country that wasnt as strict as they are now about firearms and saw the whole process of weeding them out so we can live without that fear, but that appears to mean diddly squat. this all happened in 1996.

im not attacking america, but people seem to think its an attack. i love america. i've been over twice and will come back again. how many people in this thread have been to australia and experienced the freedom i speak of? i'd say maybe 1.

as a mother, i'm beyond grateful that my children are growing up in a country that doesn't just talk about freedom, they live by it. they will never fear walking into a shopping centre and being shot. they will never go through security checks to walk into their school. the only security they will face will be walking into the airport to board a plane.

 

http://m.couriermail.com.au/news/br...gree-on-gun-laws/story-e6freono-1226537515161

 

The reason its an outsiders opinion is because she isnt from hete nor has to deal with challenges of her country. Its equal to a man lecturing a woman sexism. Yes were both human but only one of rhe two really have to deal with it. The fact that you tarshi and huntress constantly ignore is how will banning guns address the fact we have hundreds of millions of guns in circulation so tge gebie is already out of the box especially with two borders where gun restrictions arent that heavy. So logically all that can and will happen is legal gun ownership will fall but illegal untraceable unregistered guns will sky rocket. How does that achieve your ends?
As for Tarsh with her insensitive let me rub it in your face that you have gun violence hope you remembee that next time youre whining about tickets to visit the US are too much for you to afford. Why would anyobe choose to visit a country where your life is always in peril?

 

yeah but you can ban people who shouldnt be carrying a gun.....

 

I'll remember that the next time you try and tell us women that we still have it better than black men. You seem to still like to comment on sexism and tell us women hiw lucky we are.

You keep up your lip and I'll not offer to sponsor you when you move over here.

Oh and ill keep on whining about flight prices because I actually enjoy traveling out of my country and experiencing the world. That also includes living outside of my country. I've been to the states twice, how often have you been to Australia?

I've been through gun control law changes. Have you?

I speak from experience, all I see from this thread is an unwillingness to change

 

First of all you love me and youll sponsor me dammit lol.
As far as the sexism thing Ive only commented on it when other members try to tell men how much privilege we enjoy which goes back to you cant apply the same logic everywhere because while I am a man I dont enjoy the male privilege white female feminist always gripe about because in America race trumps all.
Secondly I have gone through gun law changes but Ive visited and am a dual citizen of Jamaica and they ban guns their yet they have one of the highest firearm homicide rates in the world. So its clear evidence to me that banning guns doesnt stop gun violence.
Also Australia is uniquely different from the US I fant stress that enough. You guys have never had to deal with the same amount of guns per capita and you dont have a third world drug infested country bordering you which encourages illegal drugs and guns. So again banning guns wont prevent guns from being here theyll just be illegal guns.
Lastly you know I would absolutely love to visit OZ. I never said a negative thing against it

 

what challenges????? oooohhh the bullets down there are slower than the ones up here. Thats because they throw their bullets....HUH?


what the fuck you are talking about?

 

The fact there are already millions of guns here. A persistant illegal immigration problem that also fosters illegal drugs and guns so that if youbanned guns tomorrow guns would stull be out there and still coming in

 

1st the race card

then the weight card

the sex card

now country card.

motherfucker you play more cards than a poker player