Clerk Kim Davis released from jail after compromise

More bullshit. Her name was not on the licenses that were issued, and those are in fact valid under state law. Her deputies have always had full authority to issue the licenses in the name of the county. She never had issue the licenses in her name, yet she chose to prevent the deputies who were willing to issue the licenses in her office from doing so just to grandstand and drawn attention to herself.

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/08/4025586/marriage-licenses-issued-friday.html

 

You think that waiting for the state assembly, which is out of session until next year, to reconvene and debate Davis's censure or removal would have made more sense than jailing her and ordering her deputies to immediately begin issuing the licenses?

I'm not even going to bother debating that with you because you know that's asinine.

RE the clerk in Pennsylvania issuing licenses for gay couples, I'm not familiar with that story. I am, however, aware that many people are citing Gavin Newsom's issuance of marriage licenses to gay couples when he was mayor of San Francisco in defiance of prop 8 as some sort of proof that Kim Davis was treated unfairly. It's not a valid comparison because Newsom, unlike Davis, immediately heeded the federal court's order to stop issuing the licenses. I suspect that the clerk that you're referring to did the same and hence wasn't punished.

 

Which PART of EMERGENCY session that l wrote, did you not understand. :smt017
Am quite aware of their regular schedule, thanks!

Again l say, the KY Judge could have certainly ordered the clerks to begin Issuing, without jailing her.

In fact, that's pretty much what happened to the PA clerk l mentioned. Bruce Hanes continued to flout the law and was eventually censored to issue licences - just like Kim, however until that happened, he issued almost 200 same-sex licences in defiance of Federal and State law. (He began defying it in 2013, and recently all civil matters against him were dropped when it became legal.) Yet for well for over a year, he defied, and was never jailed.
Again l ask YOU, should he have been?

 

Your link says the licenses issued had to be altered to remove her name. She said that's what she wanted - her name off the licenses. As long as they were issued in her name, she did not want anyone issuing them, her deputies included. They were altered after she was jailed

 

Nope, you have to first find a law that fines her.

Also, what you suggested is even worse than what the judge did. She would have ended up in jail and with a fine. Beliefs are very very hard to change.


On agenda:

I just want to add a correction. The federal government does not recognize any marriage(straight or gay). The states do that. I think most of us know this due to the interracial marriage issues of the past.

There isn't an agenda. It is simply that people are interpreting the 14 amendment differently. We have been here before Brown vs Board.
You are suppose to apply same rights across the board. Your AG had her reason for not doing it. I think she said it was unconstitutional. It was.
No, He shouldn't have been arrested. I think they interpreted correctly. You have to apply marriage to everyone.

 

Horseshit. She could have let her deputy clerks issue the licenses in the name of the county from the beginning. Everybody in that office has the authority to issue marriage licenses. She didn't have to be involved in the process at all. She made it a point to prevent her entire staff from issuing marriage licenses.

Her legal team is now falsely claiming that the licenses that were issued in the name of the county are invalid. Her goal was to obstruct gays from getting marriage licenses in her county at all costs.

 

Yep. Thats it.

 

Nope. It's not.

 

Read the article and see what she said

 

Agenda mystery solved!

 

Lol

 

Funny :smt043 :smt043

 

I grew up in Georgia and my parents are pretty religious so like the extreme majority of black folks in the south, I grew up going to church. Not because I believed in what I was being told but because my parents basically told me "you're going to church." It was a one-sided discussion. As I get older I realize that I personally have absolutely no use for organized religion. On the other hand we all have our own beliefs and those beliefs come from a lot of different places so I have absolutely no problem with anyone who's devoutly religious. Honestly, I think that it's a good thing that some people believe because a lot of people based on their life circumstances need something to believe in. It keeps them going and gives them hope when nothing else will; I see that at work every single day.

But goddammit, I am absolutely, positively sick of these conservative christians to the point of exhaustion. The south (especially the deep south) is so full of smug, arrogant, sanctimonious, hypocritical, judgmental, insincere, holier-than-thou, "my shit don't stink" bible thumpers that I automatically think less of anyone who describes themselves as evangelical or religiously conservative.

They mistake not being able to discriminate against other people based on their personal religious beliefs as religious persecution. They believe in religious freedom only when it comes to christianity. They mistake not being able to force prayer in schools to religious persecution. They cherry-pick bible verses and passages to justify what they claim they believe in and then have the nerve to get mad because you call them out for cherry-picking bible verses.

I'm as liberal as it gets on a lot of issues but Barry Goldwater said it best:

These people are a cancer on American politics. And I am not saying that all Christians behave that way: I know quite a few truly tolerant and loving religious people and the're the ones that we really need more of in American society. I wish that they had a larger voice. But the extreme right-wing hatemonger types make it impossible for me to take them seriously.

 

rayer:rayer:rayer:rayer:

 

Somebody please hit this man again with some POS rep. My rep broke ass can't do it.

 

Absofuckinglutely rayer:rayer:

 

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