black pastor calls out gay marriage hypocrisy in the black church...

"If you look at half of our choirs..." lol

The most entertaining parts of this vid are the looks on the faces of some of the congregation...

I think the title of the vid does the pastor a disservice, though... Shouldn't be characterized as "pro gay", but more like anti-hypocrisy... Entertaining nonetheless...

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Wonderful. Loved it

 

DAMN.

He went in so hard. But he told the truth.

Black folk need to be serious about this issue and stop using the Bible to defend bigotry.

 

Agreed. But part of religion is reinforcing fear and control. Oddly enough, a lot of people, especially those whom are ardent believers would be damned for breaking too many rules. But, apparently, it doesn't apply to them since it's "irrelevant."

 

Gay people come from straight parents.

If that tired Adam and Eve argument is used,you must realize Adam and Eve had plenty children and grandchildren,some of them gay.

If you don't like gays....stop having children.

 

Duuuude that is a pastor I could get on board with. Someone of strong faith who not only recognizes the incredible hypocrisy within many religious folk but calls them out, clear as day. It's a beautiful thing

 

He lost my attention when he used Old Testament scriptures to make his point. I Corinthians 6:9 is the verse he should be paying attention to. And Matthew 19:4-6 which affirms marriage. It's scary what people are preaching in the name of God.

 

It really is.

 

You're doing EXACTLY what this preacher is accusing others of doing, taking an a la carte approach to scripture and picking and choosing which parts matter.

The Old Testament is a part of the Bible. If it's not relevant, it should be separated out and gotten rid of.

You must also believe that any man who divorces his wife for reasons other than marital infidelity is willfully making his wife an adulteress, and any man who marries who marries her after the fact is also committing adultery.:smt087

In this country, being homosexual isn't a crime or illegal. This is an issue about civil rights, not religious morality.

The Bible is not the Constitution of the United States and I wish more believers would remember that.

You would do well to recall Matthew 22:21;

They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

I was always taught this passage meant meant the faithful should live their own lives according to their own moral and religious code and not be overly concerned with imposing their own morality on society at large.


If you don't support the right for gay people to marry, don't marry someone who has the same genitalia as you do.

But don't pretend a gay marriage affects how you choose to live a righteous life.

 

Unfortunately, most people do not understand the reason for the Old Testament and why and to whom the law was given nor do they understand what Christ's life and death means with relationship to that law. Christ's death fulfilled all the requirements of the law as written in the Old Testament. Furthermore, the law was given to a specific people at a specific time in history and for a specific reason. One of the reasons the law was given was to demonstrate that man cannot perfectly keep the law and that is why Christ became the ultimate sacrifice and fulfilled the requirements of it. To God's glory. So when people pull obscure verses out of the Old Testament and say you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that or if you do this why can't you do that, they are not understanding, not using the Scriptures properly. Now the fact that the Old Testament does call homosexuality an abomination and is further spoken against in the New Testament indicates that it is something that transcends the law. I did not simply pick and choose a verse - what I did by pulling out those verses was demonstrate that those are still directives even after Christ died and fulfilled that law. The verse in Matthew reaffirms what God spoke in Genesis about marriage being between one man and one woman, tying the two dispensations together

 

I can see where this pastor is coming from, We (Christians) should be focusing on being positive and inclusive. Being mean and hypocritical isn't what Jesus would want.

 

If more people had this attitude we'd be much better off as a society.

 

Absolutely. And this one ...

 

I see this argument quite often. And, it neglects two very important parts of Christianity:

1. When Christ died for our sins he made all sins equal. None is greater than the rest because they can all be forgiven just by asking. There is no extra ritual needed to be forgiven of homosexuality that would signal it is a greater sin than the rest. Period. So, why are we singling out this one particular sin to elevate above all others? Because, we as humans want to. That is not Christ's will.

If I am wrong, please show me with scripture.

2. We are called Christians because we are followers of Christ's teachings and his ways. We live by HIS example before any other. We also believe that Christ was thee most powerful being to have walked the earth. He could have commanded everyone to live by his law. He could have forced every man, woman, and child on earth to live a good Christian life. But, he did not.

Instead, he ministered to them. He helped them. He forced nothing on no soul. He gave them the good news and let them decide whether or not to accept it. That's as far as he went.

So, if that's as far as Christ went, then by what authority do Christians have to force, by law, who other people are allowed to marry? The answer to that is easy; we, as Christians, don't have that authority. Christ never gave that to us. And, when we assume that authority we are, in effect, saying that we know better than Christ how to administer Christianity. Do you, as a Christian, think you know more than Christ?

If a Christian is basing his or her support for laws that prevent gay marriage then, by that person's action, he or she must believe they have a better understanding of things should go than Christ. To sum it up, a Christian is to minister to those that will hear it. If they won't accept The Word, then we pray for them. That's where our authority ends.

Again, if I am wrong, point it out in scripture.

And, if you can't prove me wrong by scripture then you must understand that whatever pastor, priest, bishop, etc ... who preaches about how we must lawfully prevent gay marriage doesn't truly understand the book they are preaching from. Which begs the question; what else is he or she wrong about?

 

What does the first verse I quoted say? Or*do you not know that the unrighteous will not*inherit the kingdom of God?*Do not be deceived;*neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor*[a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,*10*nor thieves, nor*thecovetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will*inherit the kingdom of God.

This does not make gay marriage a greater sin than all the others; it does, however, make that particular sin legal and protects it as a right. Same as if we'd make it legal to commit adultery or steal or if prostitution was made legal.

And no, Jesus did not force anyone to live a certain way. He did, however, issue commands to those who were given to Him by the Father and who chose to put their faith in Him as Savior. He wasn't just about love and tolerance. He was about holiness.

 

This doesn't make any sense to me. Could you clarify the bolded part? For the most part, it seems we are in agreement.

So, if Jesus didn't force anyone to live a certain way, why should Christians force people to do it?

 

Both adultery and prostitution have been legalized in a lot of places. Theft is still generally illegal but that has less to do with religion and more so with individual people's property rights.

Excellent point. Too many people who call themselves religious don't even bother to think about that.

 

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LOL. I seem to run across this vid a couple times a year. Priceless.

 

Yeah people say they are against traditional marriage or they say its outdated or whatever but.......let their woman go outside their relationship and see how mature they act.