Are there ant Atheist/Nontheist here?

Look, all you wrote above is an opinion.
Has what you wrote been scientifically proven?

As little as you can scientifically prove Gods existence - its equally impossible to prove his non- existence.

The only difference between how you go about your non belief and Bible thumpers , is that you peddle the opposite opinion. Its an equally arrogant act. Lets be clear, Im not calling you arrogant.

I equally hate when some bible thumper is trying to shove God/Jesus down my throat as I hate when Gods non existence is shoved down my throat.
I see no difference between the two acts.. Neither can be proven, and and both sides are equally passionate about their belief.

Either side cant prove it - you can have opinions, and you will never convince the other side...

 

Still nonsensical compadre. As a fellow atheist, you'll have to design (intelligent design?) your arguments more clearly if you want them to have some impact.

When I read your words it seems like you took some quasi-Freudian notion of the ego (The Future of an Illusion?) and attempted to construct a critique of religious belief out of it. You've already lost most of your audience and perhaps a majority of Freudians as well.

 

1. There are numerous fields of study which explains the "need" for the existence of a higher being. Psychology, neurotheology, Sociology, psychology, and numerous other factors which delves deep into the idea of spirituality and the need for "God".

2. I understand the sentiment and argument you're proposing and you're correct on that. However, there's also something called "burden of proof" which has to be presented by the person who created an outrageous claim. When people often say that "God is beyond comprehension" or anything to that claim, the burden of proof lies within those who made those claims and if they're hell bent on providing proof, they really can't.

Sure, nontheists and atheists alike cannot provide the sort of evidence theists look for to disprove god, but we can surely delve deep into the realm of thought and recognize that much of what we know is purely conceptualized. The only difference is that some concepts can be proven through research and analysis and is tangible. But the idea of the unknown provided us the opportunity to explore our ways of thinking and in return developed a sense of inner certainty, despite our ignorance.

3. I would like to remind you that this is a thread designed for debate and discussion, as all threads, unless worded otherwise. Secondly, I get the impression that much of the people around here were surprised by an influx of people here who lack the belief in a higher being. This shouldn't come to any one's surprise. I'm an atheist, yes, but I'm also fair. I wouldn't shove my convictions down your throat if you affiliate yourself with a belief system. That's your personal choice and I have to respect that. However, if you ask me how I feel about religion or what have you, I won't hold back on my thoughts. When given explanations, I'm basing it more on logical observations based on people.

4. We may have ideas on a lot of things. Sure, we can't necessarily prove or disprove God outright, but we can carefully examine the person, which is tangible and the concepts we follow and recognize.

 

Seems a bit ironic hudreds of years ago Greeks were having this discussion about Zues. Couple hundred years from now they'll be debating some other nonsense.

 

No you don't. To know is to not have faith and to have faith means not knowing.

 

For me it is one and the same.

 

Is any anyone going to adress the Chinese peasants?

 

Yes, get those motherfuckers some rice and pork

 

OK, well at least you clarified that even if the logic doesn't hold up.

 

Wow. But seriously I'm curios how someone reconciles opposing religions and contradictions in an honest way.

 

Religion isn't logical. I think that's the biggest issue that non-religious people seem to have with it. I'm a very logic based person, however I admit I in no way attempt to apply logic to my religious beliefs. God defies logic to me.

You don't reconcile them. I have no issue with anyone believing what they like Greco, whether I happen to agree with them or not. Someone with an unwavering belief in God cannot be reconciled with someone who has no belief whatsoever. That's why these threads will not resolve anything, people are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum on an issue for which compromising and meeting in the middle simply is not an option.

I have no desire to change the mind of an atheist or agnostic, and they will never change mine. That's why I think it's honestly a waste of time to discuss, and I almost never say anything isn't worth discussing, but this just seems pointless to me.

 

Are they the Chinese rice farmers you previously mentioned? I believe you said something like how does Jesus find them, and if he doesn't do they just go to hell? You have to be exposed to God before you can make a personal decision to accept or reject him. My personal belief is that only those who make a decision to reject him may go to hell, and I say may because only God makes that decision and it's based on more criteria than that. IMO it's presumptuous for any human being to even attempt to ascertain who is going to hell and who isn't.

 

Fair enough. However my original intention was to catalog the non believers in order to discuss our experiences. Seems things got side tracked. Lol

 

This whole thread is completely REDUNDANT... You could of went to the "Why Do People Become Atheists" thread and stated your claim to why you believe the way you do or asked others on that thread how they feel about the subject without it derailing the thread. Instead you the OP start another version of a previous thread and just reworded it. Im not even religious but these "Is there a God or isnt there a God" threads are becoming overly asinine and redundant. (waits for some "I have to be right" person to come and say how is this asinine).

Ps I have no problems with you Op Im just saying these atheist threads are like beating a dead horse.

 

From what I read it was different type of conversation in that thread than the one I intended to have here. Oh well.

 

The religious threads always do. Two things I've learned in the past year, don't discuss religion or weight... it's never goes well. :smt042

My thoughts precisely. I told myself no more participating in atheist/agnostic threads after the last one, but that 'God = human ego' horseshit got me.

 

Damn it. Between my atheism and Asian girlfriend I'm running out of conversation fodder. Lol j/k

 

If you're happy being an atheist and you're happy with your gf, enjoy!

Out of respect for your beliefs, and your original intention, I'll exit your thread and refrain from posting so hopefully you'll be able to have the atheistic conversations you intended with like minded folks Greco.