Movies with BM/WW Couples

^^ True indeed . . . yo that ending was so predictable to me that it was anti-climatic in a way but it was still a decent release and I like it better than Prometheus because it had the old feel at least in the beginning of 1986 Alien.

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How do they justify though having those full-body space suits & helmets on board the Covenant . . .
. . . but no thought it would be proper protocal to wear them during the initial foray into this alien bio-sphere and ecology???? I was screaming at the damn DVD lol and I had to pause the damn thing. Like I don't care if it seems similar to earth . . . it ain't earth dammit so follow proper procedure!!

 

I thought the film was fine but no masterpiece. I don't see how what I thought of the quality of the movie itself would result in me dismissing racism if I legitimately felt there was ample evidence of it.

Yes, in the screenplay her character did feel she owed her husband because of her betrayal. That's logical, it makes perfect sense. We never got to see how the affair developed between her and Daniel, what led to it, etc. But that's okay. What this film pretty much alludes to is that in the mind of Portman's character the affair was a mistake and she has moved on from that whole thing. She's not apologetic enough about it to tell her husband what had occurred, but she's leaving that part of her life behind. Daniel, even though he was still married to, has not moved on. With her husband's disappearance he probably has renewed hopes that they can initiate the affair again. This suggests that he may have always had more fondness for what they shared than she ever did, that he has emotionally connected to her more than she did him.

Not feeling you with this. You tell me to not be lulled into being fooled about what is progress but I think I'm as acutely aware of what is happening in the industry as anyone on this site. If this type of interaction between a black man and a white woman had been going on in the same manner for the past ten years that we see in Annihilation for the then you would have a stronger argument. But as I pointed out before the suggestion of any type of intimacy between relatively young white women and black men, even as friendship, has been so scarce for the last four or more decades that this history between Lena (Portman) and Daniel is almost revolutionary (as a first step) by comparison. Take the scene in which we first see Daniel. He is talking to Lena, expressing his concern about her mental state, blah, blah, blah. I'm going to guess that MOST people who watched the film initially, would have never thought that Daniel and Lena had had an affair. It would have been more of a possibility of foregone conclusion that this was a possibility if Daniel were white because audiences always give white guys the benefit of the doubt of being able to woo leading ladies, win the affections of women or be accepted as sexually desirable. But a black man in a scene with a white chick, particular the lead white chick? Unless the overtones were explicitly obvious or unless the black guy was played by a huge star like Idris Elba, audiences are going t be caught off guard by a plot point that deals with this black guy engaging in an affair with a white woman. And audiences will likely be caught off guard because that is not the type of scenario they expect so far as black men are concerned. Say what you want about Daniel he at least has a libido. Not the insinuation of beastly lust that used to be depicted of black men with white women in all forms of the media. No, this was something more human and adult. Daniel had an unapologetic sexuality that Denzel Washington in his prime wasn't allowed to infuse within his characters. Which further proves to me that the character wasn't black when originally written into the script. That's just my opinion.

Yes. Because such scenes have been done like that for decades even with all white casts. You act that this is the first time directors have pulled such a stunt. Hell, for all any of us know there is an extended version of this scene that is more physical that may have been cut for time (something else that happens a lot)

Trust me I'm good.

Why do I need to think about it? Are you trying to actually educate me on the double standard when I've been raging about double standards for ever on this site? I can list plenty of examples that support what you are saying for sure. Nonetheless it is arguably unfair for you to compare two totally different types of work in two totally different type of mediums by two totally different type of creative teams who made it for two totally different type of audience. You might as well as compared the latest Power Rangers to this movie. Also Life Sentence is an hour weekly show which means it has more time to go into the details and sow moments that a motion picture can't. Plus that show is a bit of a soap opera which counted on relationships and romantic triangles to keep things interested and viewers engage.

By the way I must ask that some of you guys need to step back from the ledge so far as Life Sentence is concerned. You get way too upset at a so-so show which despite your complaints did have an attractive black male-white female couple as the main focus. Since we hadn't gotten much of that previously that too is progress.

They're not mutually exclusive.

Man, I don't even recall those sex scenes which sows you how much they didn't stand out to me.

You'er pretty much providing reasonable explanations yourself why possibly they did the scene the way they did. Here's my further thoughts. They made a decision to show the last night of the affair, just before it was ended. By it being at the final night between them, with her probably knowing it was going to stop after this last romp, there was no need for any presentation of hot, lustful sex. That's better suited for the earlier part of an affair. There was no need to show her being happy or anything because we can ascertain she probably always ad guilt about the affair and she never loved Daniel in that way. She needed some human contact for the times she got lonely. Her seeking out sex outside of her marriage made her more human because she was flawed. Making Lena more three dimensional and giving her a credible reason why she thought she owed her husband so much was likely why the affair with Daniel was written in the first place.

Now with all that out of the way you still haven't provided enough evidence IMO to back your assertions regarding racist overtones in this film. There are so many legit examples in so many films that I'm curious that you would go after this movie. I still doubt Daniel was envisioned as black when created for the screenplay so all of the faults of the character in terms of how he is viewed would have been there even if he was white. So all that's left is debating whether racism had a role in how the sex scene was portrayed.

 

I'm all aware of what Portman did and what Stone did. Nonetheless that is not clear evidence of racism or any discomfort among black men. When people accused some porn stars of being dodgers they were justified because so many of those porn stars owed up to their discrimination. These white feminists in Hollywood that you are deriding have never made such similar remarks. Hell, they don't have to because the are almost never put int a position in which they had to be intimate with a black male on screen. Now is that because of their own stipulations or is that just Hollywood being Hollywood? Granted there is legitimacy in noticing how many of these women worship at the feet of black females while seemingly having little to no relationships with black women. That said I won't jump to conclusions without more proof before I start branding them as some type of bigots. Are all of those ladies in Hollywood (who fall under this classification) racist. As much as I'm frustrated them in terms of who they date, I still can't go the distance and think of people like Portman in that way.

 

Have you ever seen The Mountain Between Us, FOCUS or Fahrenheit 451? I consider that progress. I consider those movies belonging in such a Thread. Not Annihilation.

Remarks? Are you waiting for racism to actually come out of their mouths? Are you aware that some racist people will argue that they are? Racism isn't actually taught as racism. That is one of the reasons why pornstars are comfortable with the excuse of saying they have the right to choose not understanding it has nothing to do with them CHOOSING who they work with. All that means is you are CHOOSING who you work with based on race and skin color you are still judging or misjudging people by their race on unproven facts that they didn't even try to look into. Just doing whatever people in the industry told them to do. Evidence BECOMES clear! It isn't outright clear especially when people would know there views might not be accepted to the general public. Not every racist in Hollywood is going to go full Roseanne Barr. Racism goes much deeper than remarks it is a culture, theory, ideology, ect.


Be careful what you are defending it can be used against you. The movie which I did like btw isn't the argument here. Two different mediums can share the same type of characters in movies, plays and shows. What if you heard about a movie with one of my favorite actresses right now the BEAUTIFUL Alicia Vikander and a black male actor and they decided to make their intimate scenes in the same way that they did with Annihilation by writing the story of the characters in the same way that you defended it being with Annihilation. Would that be okay since it's okay with this movie? Is it still progressing if the story. Do you think the racist people in hollywood hear audience feedback with the same sentiments you have in thinking "there was no need for any presentation of hot, lustful sex. That's better suited for the earlier part of an affair. There was no need to show her being happy or anything because we can ascertain she probably always ad guilt about the affair and she never loved Daniel in that way." That they wouldn't write characters in interracial relationships with the same personalities and the same type of feelings and type of relationship that they seen people to be okay with and shoot any intimate scene including sex scenes between the two in the same way because as long as the black male character and white female character are like Lena and Daniel audiences would be okay with it.

And nowhere did I say or that guy that made the youtube video exposing this say that there was need for hot, lustful sex. Even though that is how Hollywood does affairs anyway. Again they weren't even in the same shot not even hands shown so you could say they weren't in the same scene together because it was literally two solo shots of both actors. That is MY argument if it was just them in bed together after sex or cozied up and she lied there for awhile awake and decided to get up and then walk over to the window like she did that would've been just fine because there would be nothing there, but as SOON as they cut away to a sex scene and they weren't even in the same shot, I could see in the beginning when they showed Natalie from the back because they obviously wanted to hit a surprise on the audience, but if you remember they revisited the sex scene later after it was first revealed it was Daniel she was having sex with. What would be the point of the two solo shots when the audience already know who she was fucking. Look I'm opened to giving the benefit of a doubt, but what I'm not open to is labeling such a sex scene like that, progress. No, @JamalSpunky. LOL. Can't do it, man. So we are going to agree to disagree there. I can not defend that sex scene. I wouldn't even put it in the IR Sex Scene Thread. lol. Don't you dare do it. lol.

But before I go, I really need to take my ass to sleep. Just curious again, what do you mean by "people like Portman."?

 

That entire film made me feel itchy as hell, but I enjoyed it in spite of the ending.

 

I was kind of surprised it was even in the film. It also seemed like they used a body double at one point. It seemed very out of place.

 

I didn't think it was necessary at all. I wonder if their scenes were storyboarded that way or edited to what it was in the film.

 

An ensemble comedy starring a whole bunch of people, (IR between Common and Jennifer Gardner)

 

Common has become the go-to black guy for IR storylines. Maybe the first black male actor who has had more white onscreen love interests than black ones.

 

What other movies has Common done where he was involved in a IR? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

 

Same here. I need some info on that.

 

Another French comedy, Josephine s'arrondit (Josephine's is rounder, literal translation)
Sarah Suco + Cyril Guei
http://videocelebs.net/sarah-suco-nude-josephine-sarrondit-2016.html
Think a lot of the guys can relate to this scene.

 

I watched this last month.

Pretty good movie.

The interesting thing is there was no mention or reference of the fact they were a Interracial couple.

The subject never came up even between the parents.

 

Neither did The Mountain Between Us. Though I like it that way I do think it is important especially now for art to exhibit the hate and disapproval that IR couples get and experience. You have people out here normalizing their reasons why IR couples shouldn't be together and using IR couples where the white partner has done something racist as an example and to justify their reasons why people of different races shouldn't be together.

 

It didn't come up in Mountain because the male lead in the novel was white and the screenplay followed suit. The director just happened to do some race-bending casting by going with Elba

 

Yeah I know that, but sometimes they will add things to the script. Like Idris playing the character as British. And if I'm wrong I think they did allude to his race in one scene. I haven't seen the film again since it finally debuted on HBO.

 

Well would you look at that. There was a kissing scene in The Long Kiss Goodnight. I totally didn't see that when I saw this film on cable unteen years ago. Was this part of a Director's cut, @ryanpaulstewart?

 

Nope. That kiss was in the theatrical release.

 

I didn't see it in theatres I saw it on cable. I don't know, maybe I missed it. lol. Good eye though, bro. Better than mines. lol.

 

You probably missed it because it was a 5-second scene and any romance between them was shut down immediately.