Random Political comments...

Trump: Why haven’t you let them out? Why have you not let them into your society?

Turnbull: OK, I will explain why. It is not because they are bad people. It is because in order to stop people smugglers, we had to deprive them of the product. So we said if you try to come to Australia by boat, even if we think you are the best person in the world, even if you are a Noble [sic] Prize winning genius, we will not let you in. Because the problem with the people —

Trump: That is a good idea. We should do that too. You are worse than I am.

Turnbull: This is our experience.

Trump: Because you do not want to destroy your country. Look at what has happened in Germany. Look at what is happening in these countries. These people are crazy to let this happen. I spoke to Merkel today, and believe me, she wishes she did not do it. Germany is a mess because of what happened.

Turnbull: I agree with you, letting one million Syrians walk into their country. It was one of the big factors in the Brexit vote, frankly.

Trump: Well, there could be two million people coming in Germany. Two million people. Can you believe it? It will never be the same.

Turnbull: I stood up at the UN in September and set up what our immigration policy was. I said that you cannot maintain popular support for immigration policy, multiculturalism, unless you can control your borders. The bottom line is that we got here. I am asking you as a very good friend. This is a big deal. It is really, really important to us that we maintain it. It does not oblige you to take one person that you do not want. As I have said, your homeland officials have visited and they have already interviewed these people. You can decide. It is at your discretion. So you have the wording in the executive order that enables the secretary of homeland security and the secretary of state to admit people on a case by case basis in order to conform with an existing agreement. I do believe that you will never find a better friend to the United States than Australia. I say this to you sincerely that it is in the mutual interest of the United States to say, “yes, we can conform with that deal – we are not obliged to take anybody we do not want, we will go through extreme vetting” and that way you are seen to show the respect that a trusted ally wants and deserves. We will then hold up our end of the bargain by taking in our country 31 [inaudible] that you need to move on from.

Trump: Malcom [sic], why is this so important? I do not understand. This is going to kill me. I am the world’s greatest person that does not want to let people into the country. And now I am agreeing to take 2,000 people and I agree I can vet them, but that puts me in a bad position. It makes me look so bad and I have only been here a week.

Turnbull: With great respect, that is not right – It is not 2,000.

Trump: Well, it is close. I have also heard like 5,000 as well.

Turnbull: The given number in the agreement is 1,250 and it is entirely a matter of your vetting. I think that what you could say is that the Australian government is consistent with the principles set out in the executive order.

Trump: No, I do not want say that. I will just have to say that unfortunately I will have to live with what was said by Obama. I will say I hate it. Look, I spoke to Putin, Merkel, Abe of Japan, to France today, and this was my most unpleasant call because I will be honest with you. I hate taking these people. I guarantee you they are bad. That is why they are in prison right now. They are not going to be wonderful people who go on to work for the local milk people.

Turnbull: I would not be so sure about that. They are basically —

Trump: Well, maybe you should let them out of prison. I am doing this because Obama made a bad deal. I am not doing this because it fits into my executive order. I am taking 2,000 people from Australia who are in prison and the day before I signed an executive order saying that we are not taking anybody in. We are not taking anybody in, those days are over.

Turnbull: But can I say to you, there is nothing more important in business or politics than a deal is a deal. Look, you and I have a lot of mutual friends.

Trump: Look, I do not know how you got them to sign a deal like this, but that is how they lost the election. They said I had no way to 270 and I got 306. That is why they lost the election, because of stupid deals like this. You have brokered many a stupid deal in business and I respect you, but I guarantee that you broke many a stupid deal. This is a stupid deal. This deal will make me look terrible.

Turnbull: Mr President, I think this will make you look like a man who stands by the commitments of the United States. It shows that you are a committed —

Trump: OK, this shows me to be a dope. I am not like this but, if I have to do it, I will do it but I do not like this at all. I will be honest with you. Not even a little bit. I think it is ridiculous and Obama should have never signed it. The only reason I will take them is because I have to honor a deal signed by my predecessor and it was a rotten deal. I say that it was a stupid deal like all the other deals that this country signed. You have to see what I am doing. I am unlocking deals that were made by people, these people were incompetent. I am not going to say that it fits within the realm of my Executive Order. We are going to allow 2,000 prisoners to come into our country and it is within the realm of my executive order? If that is the case my executive order does not mean anything Malcom [sic]. I look like a dope. The only way that I can do this is to say that my predecessor made a deal and I have no option then to honor the deal. I hate having to do it, but I am still going to vet them very closely. Suppose I vet them closely and I do not take any?

Turnbull: That is the point I have been trying to make.

Trump: How does that help you?

Turnbull: Well, we assume that we will act in good faith.


Trump: Does anybody know who these people are? Who are they? Where do they come from? Are they going to become the Boston bomber in five years? Or two years? Who are these people?

Turnbull: Let me explain. We know exactly who they are. They have been on Nauru or Manus for over three years and the only reason we cannot let them into Australia is because of our commitment to not allow people to come by boat. Otherwise we would have let them in. If they had arrived by airplane and with a tourist visa then they would be here.

Trump: Malcom [sic], but they are arrived on a boat?

Turnbull: Correct, we have stopped the boats.

Trump: Give them to the United States. We are like a dumping ground for the rest of the world. I have been here for a period of time, I just want this to stop. I look so foolish doing this. It [sic] know it is good for you but it is bad for me. It is horrible for me. This is what I am trying to stop. I do not want to have more San Bernardinos or World Trade Centers. I could name 30 others, but I do not have enough time.

Turnbull: These guys are not in that league. They are economic refugees.

 

Trump: OK, good. Can Australia give me a guarantee that if we have any problems – you know that is what they said about the Boston bombers. They said they were wonderful young men.

Turnbull: They were Russians. They were not from any of these countries.

Trump: They were from wherever they were.

Turnbull: Please, if we can agree to stick to the deal, you have complete discretion in terms of a security assessment. The numbers are not 2,000 but 1,250 to start. Basically, we are taking people from the previous administration that they were very keen on getting out of the United States. We will take more. We will take anyone that you want us to take. The only people that we do not take are people who come by boat. So we would rather take a not very attractive guy that help you out then to take a Noble [sic] Peace Prize winner that comes by boat. That is the point.

Trump: What is the thing with boats? Why do you discriminate against boats? No, I know, they come from certain regions. I get it.

Turnbull: No, let me explain why. The problem with the boats it that you are basically outsourcing your immigration program to people smugglers and also you get thousands of people drowning at sea. So what we say is, we will decide which people get to come to Australia who are refugees, economic migrants, businessmen, whatever. We decide. That is our decision. We are a generous multicultural immigration nation like the United States but the government decides, the people’s representatives decides. So that is the point. I am a highly transactional businessman like you and I know the deal has to work for both sides. Now Obama thought this deal worked for him and he drove a hard bargain with us – that it was agreed with Obama more than a year ago in the Oval Office, long before the election. The principles of the deal were agreed to.

Trump: I do not know what he got out of it. We never get anything out of it – Start Treaty, the Iran deal. I do not know where they find these people to make these stupid deals. I am going to get killed on this thing.

Turnbull: You will not.

Trump: Yes, I will be seen as a weak and ineffective leader in my first week by these people. This is a killer.

Turnbull: You can certainly say that it was not a deal that you would have done, but you are going to stick with it

Trump: I have no choice to say that about it. Malcom [sic], I am going to say that I have no choice but to honor my predecessor’s deal. I think it is a horrible deal, a disgusting deal that I would have never made. It is an embarrassment to the United States of America and you can say it just the way I said it. I will say it just that way. As far as I am concerned that is enough Malcom [sic]. I have had it. I have been making these calls all day and this is the most unpleasant call all day. Putin was a pleasant call. This is ridiculous.

Turnbull: Do you want to talk about Syria and DPRK?

Trump: [inaudible] This is crazy.

Turnbull: Thank you for your commitment. It is very important to us.

Trump: It is important to you and it is embarrassing to me. It is an embarrassment to me, but at least I got you off the hook. So you put me back on the hook.

Turnbull: You can count on me. I will be there again and again.

Trump: I hope so. OK, thank you Malcolm.

Turnbull: OK, thank you.

 

Gotta read more news outlets than just on the right.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/30/us/syrian-refugees-in-the-united-states.html

 

People have a problem with Trump's character, not his financial success. I guarantee there are at least a dozen of uber wealthy White folk who are respected and admired on this site by the same people who hate Trump.
If you live on the East coast, you are familiar with Trump's history. There's a reason why people who KNOW about Trump call him a con man and bullshit artist, and it has nothing to do with his wealth.

For instance, a lot of people still have issues with Michael Bloomberg who's worth much more than Trump. But most of the questions about Bloomberg aren't about his character or social conscience. And I bet you that Bloomberg doesn't personally know an inordinate amount of random Russians as business associates.

For some reason you have a blind spot for Trump because he ran for POTUS as a Republican and refuse to see how tragically flawed his is as a president....and a human being.

Trump lacks a basic empathy for other human beings and it's been proven time and again.
Trump has said more than once he NEVER pays back the full amount due on a loan as a matter of business practice.
And contractors who have worked with Trump often tell how hard it was to get the money Trump owed them for services rendered.

Babe, you're hugged up on the wrong dude. Believe it or not, he's actually not a good guy.

 

Meanwhile you believe in some of the most ridiculous, illogical, evidence free right wing conspiracy theories in existence. The fact that you're trying to call out someone else on that is the height of hypocrisy.

You might not want to be throwing stones from glass houses.

 

I showed her more than one example as she requested and silence....

 

Of course me and TDK both expressed our admiration of Warren Buffet. A few times actually.

 

An activist associated with the Black Lives Matter movement recently offered a list of requests for white people.

The article for Leo Weekly, titled, “White people, here are 10 requests from a Black Lives Matter leader,” was written by Chanelle Helm, a self-described “cofounder and core organizer of Black Lives Matter Louisville.” has requested, among other things, giving up property...

"White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way

"If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free."

'White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty...."


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Lol..um..no.

 

Silence? Whuu? I responded. Smh

 

Just personal evidence: I admire and respect Bill Gates. I deeply admire Warren Buffet. However, I strongly disliked Steve Jobs.

All three of them are/were really, really rich, but Steve Jobs seemed like a massive jerk, while the other two seem like really caring people who want to help others. I don't judge people based on whether they're wealthy, I judge them based on whether they seem like nice people, and Trump doesn't. As someone who lives in New York, Michael Bloomberg was elected mayor of the city twice, even though he is almost certainly far richer than is Trump. So why does NYC like Bloomberg but hate Trump so much? Because Bloomberg was a decent person (I disagree with him on some things, but that's different), while Trump has looked like a schmuck to us for decades. And trust us, he's been living here for a long time.

 

Uh nope. Obama and HRC were "center-left" i.e. centrist i.e. the way American politics were designed to function

Bernie is a far-left socialist whose goals cannot be reached thru legitimate democratic means i.e. political process i.e. can't win elections or gain majorities to implement policy

A "center-left" Bernie is the same kind of revisionism as white third-party far-leftists now magically being the "base" of the Democratic Party, another fantasy they're trying to sell

You can stamp your feet & cry all you want but the goalposts aren't moving, sorry Charlie

 

Wow you sound like a really good, all-around catch. Brains, beauty and politics, a rare combo. Too good to be true...?

 

I've really enjoyed reading about the civil rights movement in the 60s, and how "both sidesism" was used then, too. Because no rally or movement made up of disenfranchised people will be perfect -- in a sea of thousands of discontent people, at least a few will get disruptive -- the people fighting against discrimination are often criticized for being "agitators," too. Here's a story about how the NAACP were described as "outside agitators" during the fight to end segregation in the south. This "both sides" technique is older than most of us, I suspect.

 

Actually I admired Jobs too. He was a great visionary. I also found it fascinating that he got ousted from Apple, came back retook his job and turned the company into a real success. People are critical of him because he wasn't very technical too be running a technology company, but he understood the market like only a few others did, which made his insight invaluable. He knew enough tech to understand the possibilities, and that's exactly all he needed.

 

Here here New Yorker as well

 

Then you aren't paying attention. Trump won on a populist agenda. People are desperate for someone who is not an establishment politician. The next president and Congress should be and can be a democratic socialist.
Either I'm fine but if you want the most good for the most people it's the only logical way to go.
Again beware automation there is no way this two party greed fest can work for the people under that kind of economy.
Your labor is your only value the only way you have a voice. Under the current system you will be voiceless inside 15 years I don't care what your race religion or party affiliation is.

 

If 45 loved this country so much, he would have ran for president after Bush damn near ran it into the ground.

His poor white racist supporters were so desperate at the time; they voted for a Blackman. Its funny how they are actually stupid enough to think that he cares about them now.

 

If automation is going to take over, who is going to pay for your socialism?

 

Gates was admirable up until his investment in Monsanto. (Im anti-GMO's)

Monsanto, US, & Gates Foundation pressure Kenya to Reverse GMO Ban

Submitted by Food Democracy Now on January 6, 2016 - 2:47pm

The growing African nation banned imports of GMO products in 2012, but a recent application by Monsanto’s Kenyan subsidiary could open the door to the controversial "seeds".

Last year, Kenyans took to the streets to protest the potential change.

Monsanto’s modified cotton seeds produce insecticides to poison butterflies and moths...cont..

http://www.fooddemocracynow.org/blog/2016/jan/6

*****
Whay do you think of Zuckerberg?...he may be running for Office 2020.

 

Taxes placed on robots and I never said socialism I said Democratic socialism. There's a difference please read up.
I think there should be a Universal basic income paid by corporations and business that have robots and automation.
Every individual should be able to get a 600 square foot dwelling at a market price equal to 20 percent of their income. 900 square foot for couples 1200 square foot for families. Anything beyond that is subject to market forces, every citizen should be able to get 2200 calories worth of food per day that doesn't exceed 10 percent of their income, college and healthcare would be paid for by the state.
I honestly don't see why we can't do this outside of constantly playing to people's greed and stupidity