Couple Get lengthy sentence for racist threats

Revenge is not what we are talking about. 1.) We are talking about not kissing the ass of people who have shown us time and time again that they don't like us.
2.) Not apologizing or feeling a need to be politically correct when we are clearly in the right.
3.) Not being concerned about the problems of people who clearly are not concerned about us.

No idea how you got revenge out of any of that. The point is for us to get justice whenever possible from bad people, and to not take on the problems of those who clearly don't care about us.

You took it upon yourself to come up with a scenario in which justice was perhaps not possible. In the ongoing sphere of institutionalized racism that is not the case. It is not about one incident in particular but how racism is constantly perpetrated against black people as a whole.

Perhaps I will stand before the creator one day and have my record reviewed. For that I have no fear nor do I expect to be punished for not caping for people who clearly hate me for existing. The way you think I'm going to be judged is nothing more than a belief. A belief that doesn't have any bearing on me whatsoever.

 

It's like no matter what black people won't been seen as human. We are expected to turn the other cheek when people do us dirty. We're expected to build bridges with those who wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.
At this point I base shit on the credit system. If I know you and you've built good credit with me awesome. If you're a stranger you have no credit so no services

 

Gorath has a habit of going off topic and steering back off topic even when you correct him.

 

No one is perfect, GFunk. The least of all me.

 

You are 100% right. I'm truly never upset when I hear people like you and Gfunk explain why you might not be all in with supporting the causes of other groups within our country. You're not doing it from a hateful place like some people are, you're just being cautious and I respect that. I absolutely have it easier by being able to view this topic and fight my fight with the level of safety that my white privilege grants me. I recognize that completely.

I get it. You can only turn the other cheek so many times. I know that my skin color affords me the luxury of viewing this issue differently and I think growing up 20 minutes from the border also has given me a different perspective on issues of immigration, specifically. I see Mexicans shit on daily. I see some racism between older generations of Mexican families and Black families but I also see younger generators of those families growing up together and really joining forces to make things better. I'm sure it's different other places but SD is very open and diverse from what I've seen in my 30+ years so maybe it's skewed my vision a bit.

 

Well yeah. Obviously. It's still annoying when you keep missing someone's point over and over after they correct you. It's like what's the point of even having the discussion when you're constantly on another page while others are on the same page. This isn't the first time you've done this. Also, this god character is irrelevant. Another thing thing some people, including me, don't want to hear about.

 

I grew up in a very diverse city as well and there are tons of IR relationships. I'm glad to see that too. But even in the most diverse areas, there will still be a level of ignorance in that city. A couple people have been racist towards me while I was in SD and although that doesn't represent the whole city, I'm never going to go into a place thinking everyone ok with each other 100 percent. Racism usually isn't overt anymore so people can still work and even hang out together, even date each other and still think whatever it is that makes you different makes your group inferior whole but make an exception for you.

There are groups that will fight for each other's rights but not wanna get "too close". There are people who fight for Gay rights but would have a negative reaction seeing someone in their family come or as gay. There are Latinos standing together with blacks but would give a side eye and say something slick is their daughter brought a black man home. Sometimes, that cultural conditioning is too strong. The bright side is that in more populated areas, you're more likely to find people that will respect you compared to some small town of 20,000.

 

Good points.

 

You're absolutely right, no place is "safe" from racism and I'd imagine there are a few who fight for equal rights but would give that side eye if those rights got too close to their comfort zone. How sad is that. Wasting their time fighting for something they don't even truly believe in. There's all kinds of crazy in this world!

 

I am aware that I am not on the same wavelength as everyone. I just have a habit of expanding and looking at other issues that may be off topic or related in some way.

I apologize if it annoys you all.

No hard feelings.

 

I'm always thankful for people such as yourself. In my mind... there's no way any relatively informed adult can miss that there's so much racism in this country. I'm always amazed (and disgusted ) at those who act as if there's a level playing field for all. Likewise, as a male, in my opinion it's also very obvious that sexism is also alive and well.

As the others said... It often gets frustrating to go through life knowing that we have to do things differently just to make home alive each day and so on. It's like each day we start out guilty and have to prove our worth over and over again.

So again... I have a deep appreciation for people like yourself.

 

I cannot even fathom how frustrating and infuriating it would be to have to prove over and over, your worth as a human being. I had a professor in college who was a self proclaimed "angry black man" in his early years... I have no doubt id absolutely be that same angry black man if my role in this world was reversed. That anger rears its head when I'm speaking to my kids about respect and how we treat others...knowing full well they could be the most well behaved people ever and it's still not enough to keep them safe, because of the color of their skin. Feels hypocritical... expecting them to blindly treat others with a level of respect that they won't receive nearly as often. Idk. All I know is that I have the absolute, utmost respect for the millions of gentleman like you, who live this ugliness of being judged solely by the color of your skin every day, yet you manage to find a way to show others the grace of seeing them for who (not what) they are. If nothing else, I hope that behavior allows you to sleep knowing that you are who decent human beings strive to be. I pray my children grow up to have that kind of strength, intelligence and perseverance.

 

I saw someone point out that even LGBT/Feminist groups are Patriarchal. Behind the scenes it usually a LGBT man or Liberal dude pulling strings & putting up money.

 

So I got a couple of updates on this story

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/us/do...hday-party-children-racist-threats/index.html

So it turns out not all the members of the family were so quick to forgive after all. The child's grandmother was not so much in the forgiving mood. In an interview she gave Melissa Alford was quoted as saying "When that gun was loaded, did you think about your children then? So, why you crying now? If that trigger would have gone off there would have been dead bodies all over that yard"

Also as it turns out White Supremacists are going nuts over the sentencing.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/har...cists-across-the-country-freaking-out-report/
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...t-torres-and-norton-sentencing-threaten-judge

Their narrative of what went down that day is so completely hilarious though
“What ACTUALLY happened,” Girton said in a Facebook post, “was these flaggers were INVITED to the party in a very fake act of goodwill in the spirit of interracial peace & harmony and such assorted bullshit, but when they arrived some "urban youth" outside began throwing beer bottles at their truck, causing them to swerve into the median which popped a tire on their truck, stranding them on the scene of what would have been another incident of black on white mob violence.”

In the same Facebook video, Girton said “ 30 Negros,” attacked the defendants and one member, “got stuck there in front of a whole unruly mob of screaming Negros,” after his tire blew out. While Girton does not refute that Torres, “reached for his shotgun [and] said, “I’ll kill all y’all niggers,” he claims it was in self-defense, “in the heat of the altercation.”

According to Oliver, the “Douglasville 15” — a reference to the 15 Respect for the Flag members tried for their role in the incident — “were invited to a trap … to get them to show up … so they could get jumped by all these Negros … at this ‘supposed’ birthday party.”

Once again though they have proven to be more bark than bite as a planned protest rally was attended by nobody
http://www.bet.com/news/national/20...otest-arrest-of-support-the-flag-members.html

 

Yeah, OG Granny ain't with the dumb shit. My family would've been the same way, especially my dad's side. No forgiveness.




Even after the two admitted their guilt, the klan comes in caping....or hooding, for these folks. They're feeling REAL salty because nobody cosigned their fuckery.

 

What’s with all the crying ?

If they're so bad ass that they can terrorize a child, surely prison time will be a cake walk for them. Have fun making license plates and sewing drawers for my black ass to wear while your racist white ass is in jail!



And let's be clear on what happened.

A convoy of pickup trucks with confederate flags flying rolled up on a children's birthday party. They walked up to the property throwing racial insults, threatening them verbally and pointing shotguns at them.

Joes Torres was sentenced to 20 years. Kayla Norton got 15. In truth they'll only serve and 13 and 6 respectively. That’s the mandatory they have to do. So Kayla Norton at 25 will still get out a relatively young woman. As for El Chapo Torres, 26, yeah he can kiss goodbye to his youth.

But it's not like they gave them lights out sentences, like they do for black people.

Funny thing is Kayla Norton has black friends in real life and on her facebook



Then again so did Dylan Roof.

Maybe she got in with the wrong people ? Who knows ? Wanting to hold on to a man has changed many women and caused them to behave in a way contrary to how they were raised. And from what I’ve read she cries about everything. Prison is gonna be hell for her.

Irony is, if she would have pleaded guilty she probably would have got a year tops. The others who plead guilty got 2-4 years. But they decided to fight the case. They got on some "it's the principle" shit and now they get major time.

But the white supremacist are freaking out over this

They're freaking out because for once, the law wasn't in white people's favour and though Jose Torres is a white Hispanic, white supremacist will rally behind anyone who hates or attacks black folks. We saw that in the George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin case.

Also I watched the video and yet again a black person (the black mother) publicly forgave them. In fact some black folks are crying hard...WTF. She even tells the white families she's sorry for what has happened..... again WTF

Stockholm Syndrome. I just cant with these fools

And I don't believe this case is a turning point for racial justive for black people.

I believe the judge used them as an example. Smarter white people know people like this make them look bad.

 

^^^ Something tells me this isn't who she really is, those tears seemed genuine towards her actions. I have seen this before (even in my own family) with women just following
in there BF or husband's footsteps... It's weakness, and men like him prey on it. Women do it to, but it's rarely the other way around. This is a very hard lesson for her.

 

Welp, really her or not, she has plenty of time to learn this lesson.

 

LOL. I didn't realize these fools pleaded not guilty and thought they could fight the charges and end up with no time.
Racist dumbasses.


They deserved everything they got for even thinking a jury and judge were going to let them get off for that racist attack against a bunch of kids.
I thought their sentence was unusually harsh, but now it makes total sense.
WHen you go into court on some bullshit thinking somehow you can beat a pile of evidence against you proving you did the crime, your ass is going to get steamrolled by the court.

I don't like the idea of plea bargaining when someone is truly innocent, but if you, your defense attorney and the prosecutor know you're guilty, a plea bargain oftentimes is the best deal for a defendant.