Random Political comments...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bliss, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. samson1701

    samson1701 Well-Known Member

    Interesting how Wikileaks dumps more documents just as Trump's Russian relationship begins to gain traction with mainstream Americans.
     
  2. ColiBreh1

    ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

    https://twitter.com/ATLBlackStar/status/839491608366153728
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    http://atlantablackstar.com/2017/03/08/hbcu-leadership-disappointed-obama-split-whether-trust-trump/
     
  3. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    In what world? Mainstream, if you mean Dems.
    Those that have chosen to expand beyond CNN and MSNBC filters know there's more to what's up.
    Likely because you guys never get to hear from Assange...it's all filtered out for you.

    What you should find more intetesting is the fact that the recent dumps have quietened the loudest.

    Know:
    Julian Assange always said Russian hackers were not his source for the emails that took down Hillary. He has never wavered, never changed his statement. His close associate, former British Ambassador (Uzbekistan) Craig Murray, has said the same. It was an inside job. Not Russian hackers.

    "These are the only two people in the world who know the source. Only two people who have actually met the source. Both deny Russian involvement. Both say it was a Clinton insider. After new calls from the democrats to investigate the leaks, a stunned Murray came forward again to set the record straight.

    He said,
    “There is no Russian involvement in the leaks of emails showing Clinton’s corruption.”

    As Julian Assange has made crystal clear, the leaks did not come from the Russians. As I have explained countless times, they are not hacks, they are insider leaks – there is a major difference between the two.”
     
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  4. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Could you be any more ignorant of the truth..
    Never commented on Obama's use of executive orders, as excessive as they were in hindsight..

    Utter lies on, " Muslim ban" and deporting angelic illegals..could you be any more ignorant on that?

    Where is an ounce of proof the Russians rigged our Election? Let me see it AB...show me.
    Show me the collusion by Trump with the Russians to rig our election. It doesn't surprise me that you are tone deaf to those who were fed up
    with your Queen Hilda's corruption.

    Yes Nixon did stuff, so Obama needs to worry more than Trump does..indeed, you'll find that out soon enough.
     
  5. samson1701

    samson1701 Well-Known Member

    Show me where I said anything about Russians being behind Wikileaks. Because, if you can't, it shows just how quick you are to insert your own biases without any regard to the facts before you.
     
  6. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    Per the bold above, I found this NY Times article interesting... https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/world/europe/russia-trump-election-cia-fbi.html

    "For example, though analysts often say that Russia “hacked the election,” this shorthand refers to something much subtler than altering the vote itself — just one of many points of growing confusion. What follows is a guide to what is known and is not, and to separating fact from misconception."
     
  7. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Hm. The collective United States intelligence agencies concluded that Russia was behind the leaks and stolen emails from the DNC, many of which are staffed with people who were hired BEFORE Obama entered office and generally conservative.

    Julian Assange says Russia was not.

    Heavens!! Whom do I choose to believe??

    Assange is a POS and traffics in stolen classified information, then blames the people who had the info stolen for not having better security.
    Bliss, that would be like me stealing your car, selling it to a 3rd party, then the new 'owner' blaming YOU for not having locked your car doors.

    I understand intellectually you can't allow yourself to believe Russia was behind the DNC hacks and that Trump and his top aides had no knowledge of it, because the alternative explanation would mean the man you're so vociferously supporting is guilty of treason.

    We'll see how this goes. Watergate took over a year to gain any traction in the media and public opinion.
    But IMO you're going to be on the wrong side of history on this one.
     
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  8. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    It comes down to very very simple logic. What's more likely a man who has literally defrauded everyone he's come into contact with business wise. Everything from Trump university to casinos in Atlantic city the dude has a trail of people screaming how dishonest he is. This is what they call pattern of behavior why is it such a mental leap for his supporters? Do they think all these people are making this up. Also it's odd as hell that after 40 years of business no one comes forward to sing his business praises. That's what he's suppose to be good at. You think we'd have the same problem with Bloomberg or Cuban?
     
  9. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    You keep praising Cuban..

    Complaint: Mark Cuban - SEC
    Nov 17, 2008 - The Commission charges Defendant Mark Cuban (" Cuban") with committing securities fraud

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...PPW1yrEspT0XqYw0g&sig2=0Svi5slXIcSjHuYqENQSmw

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    NBA referees union says Mark Cuban has unfair influence over league officials
    The league and the NBRA has been going back and forth on this matter for more than a year.

    “We consider the threat to the integrity of NBA basketball presented by Mr. Cuban’s misconduct to be real and growing,” NBRA general counsel Lee Seham wrote in one memorandum from Dec. 9.

    Here are some of the complaints the NBRA has levied against Cuban.




      • The NBRA believes Cuban holds influence over referees’ careers. “No other owner has communicated to our members with such force that he exercises control over their careers.
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      • While he can inspire, he's no Angel. And he can be an asshole. Plus he's not 70 yet - you don't get to Tycoon level being a sweetheart.
     
  10. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Well I'm sure people like Gates and Buffet would disagree as well as Oprah but here's the thing you still seem to skip over 40 YEARS OF BUSINESS AND LITERALLY EVERYONE SAID HE'S A CHEAT A FRAUD. TRUMP UNIVERSITY SCAN
    CASINOS BANKRUPT
    6 BANKRUPTCIES IN TOTAL
     
  11. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Curious if you personally believe there was collusion with Russia by Trump to ensure he won.

    That was an interesting piece, but somewhat biased and incomplete based on other information I'm aware of, if not incorrect in their facts.

    For example they got it wrong on Gucifer who is a hacker himself..no one provided him information and he's not Russian.
    He claimed also to have hacked the Clinton Foundation but it was in fact the DNC's server that was hacked..

    Another example...
    "Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an independent Romanian hacker, made multiple contradictory statements and false claims about his likely Russian identity throughout the election. Press reporting suggests more than one person claiming to be Guccifer 2.0 interacted with journalists..

    This is Gucifer's blog where he announced his hack..
    wordpress.com/2016/10/04/clinton-foundation/

    This is just one example of holes in their (NYT) story..

    I think Loki, that newspapers no longer try to be neutral though they often times either attempt to, or pretend to.
     
  12. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    But they don't TDK..."literally everyone" he's done business with does not say that..chill on your hyperbole, mate.

    Bankruptcy is rampant in the business world..how are you green to that? Look at airlines, banks, car manufacturers, etc..unfortunately, it's often used a business tool and for protection from creditors.

    There are every day people who file for it, too..sometimes it's needed to stay above drowning. it's not just something Trump has done. Blame the bankruptcy laws.

    I've been to his Casinos. They were fucking awesome. Just up the NJ Turnpike we'd drive, and have an escapism blast. Best service ever.
     
  13. ColiBreh1

    ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

    [​IMG] @Bliss is kinda right. I've realized overtime that Democrats are using this Russia thing to deflect away from their own corruption & incompetence.
     
  14. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Six times Bliss? Knock that shit off. Under what circumstances would you trust any other professional who failed 6 times. You want a doctor who has six malpractice suits? And I work in personal finance and it's far from common for successful business people to file bankruptcy 6 times
    And please show me a business partner who isn't related to him that sings his praises.
    Wow you people trivialize everything
    I've never been to any of his casinos but I can read a financial report and then joints closed right up
     
  15. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Or he committed a crime and they're holding him accountable
     
  16. ColiBreh1

    ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

    Both can be true at the same time.
     
  17. samson1701

    samson1701 Well-Known Member

    Democrats being corrupt or incompetent is a whole other argument that doesn't address my point but sidesteps it.

    My post was about the similarity between Wikileaks dumps and the rise of the Trump/Russia connection in the news. Look at the news cycle and see what drops when and in relation to what.
     
  18. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    Per the link below, there are congressional investigations going on to find out the links (if any) between Russia and hacking U.S. elections and democratic processes. Im taking a wait and see approach to see what they come up with (could be a while) but I certainly think there is enough warnings coming from our intelligence agencies that such investigations are warranted. Not sure im quite as certain as you that all newspapers have completely lost their objectivity in their reporting, there are always multiple sources on either side of almost every issue, the difficult part is being able to read both sides and find the bits of truth on both sides, recognize the "spin" on both sides and come to an informed decision on issues. Quite often times that is easier said than done.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-without-end-in-sight/?utm_term=.75de8bdffa16
     
  19. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    I can't help but laugh..because if we were to judge you by your failed relationships in the last six years alone, you're unfit to partner. :p

    They actually didnt close right up .the TAJ operated for 26 years.

    No one is trivializing his bankruptcies. He screwed himself by taking out junk bond loans and overestimating revenue. Defaulting was inevitable.
    Ever not paid a bill, TDK? Ever had a loan where you paid a creditor pennies on the dollar?

    Funny thing is you threw all your faith into Obama who had no experience running anything, left us trillions in debt, but won't give Trump a chance..
    Hopefully he has learned from his bankruptcies. He better have.
     
  20. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    They got one thing right...the end is not in sight...

    I will hedge my bet that a lot of this is grandstanding. I believe none of the politicians on either side, nor the Intel agencies and the CIA specifically - who make their living as PROFESSIONAL LIARS - want the truth out, or will give it up.

    How do we even know any more. Either we were always living manipulated-by-the-media lives, or it's just developed full throttle out of no where.

    I will say this, when l was far left on many issues, l never questioned what l was told..by design..it fed my agenda of a socially just mentality. But l never stopped to look at the other side or how manipulative slants can be. Once l did, I was shocked that so many lied to us on a regular basis, about so much.

    I think it had gotten worse and quite desperate as the controllers realize they are losing control of our minds.
     

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