unarmed WM killed by police in Iowa...no one cares

I Haven't had a chance to read through all the recent posts...

But just reading this last one here ...

"Now you bring me some figures to prove how personal gun ownership improves the safety of your fellow Americans, how many people (numbers please) are saved every year by keeping personal firearms.
Where they have prevented injury to the owner of the legal firearm, in real live threat situations, not would have... could have happened."

Bug to your last paragraph and question..it's very difficult to answer that because we have open carry states. As the saying goes, an armed socierty is a polite society. Might be easier to compare Gun ban cities crimes to open carry States crimes..In fact, most mass shooters chose targets that were gun-free.

 

How do you compare a state to a city? can you imagine comparing PA to philly?The demographics are very much different. not to mention finding a city that is a gun ban city. I've never lived in one. It certainly won't be in the USA.

The saying an armed society is a polite society is violated by several countries. It really is an educated society is a smart society. That's the explanation that I can see for Japan having a low amount of guns compared to say some of the European countries that have open gun policies. It is no secret the USA's education system is crap.
There is also the issue that most Americans don't own guns and are often not victimized.

 

From what i gather....u are more likely to shoot yourself than having to shoot an intruder

as far as the atmed society polite soceity point......we have a slew of guns in america and we arent very polite..

 

generally true the other one is you are more likely to shoot a loved one than an actual threat. Most people no matter where you live tend not to be confrontational.:smt012 and if they are you know to avoid them. Fights are predetermined long before they happen in my opinion. What you say and how you say it counts a lot most of the time.

 

. So true
Lol..lol
Hell people go mad max when they get cut off on the high way and pull out their guns and statt shooting. Very responsible!!!!!?????

 

This is a classic type II error where you can't prove a not, its like saying how many break ins are prevented by having a lock on your door.

And my point which is why I brought countries like Jamaica, Brazil, and Mexico into the conversation is because countries like the UK and South Korea don't have a drug war and aren't bordered by third world countries that heavily traffic drugs and weapons. Once again the absolute vast majority gun deaths in the US have next to nothing to do with law abiding citizens purchasing and carrying guns. I seriously don't get why this is so difficult for so many of you to grasp. It's mainly drug turf wars causing this shit and do you think gangs are purchasing glocks and uzis in bulk from their local gun stores with legal IDs?
Come on

 

You have a very stupid argument.

The number one cause of gun deaths in America is suicide (60+%) so that shits all over your drug war premise. The majority of those suicides are committed by white males.

None of the mass shootings from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Vester Flanagan have anything to do with the drug trade.

 

So once again you support my argument because then its not a gun problem but a mental health issue. So you're going to say that if not for guns these people would never take their own lives? FOH

 

I think he was kind of arguing against the premise of the drug war. It is a bit weak since most Americans don't own guns and most U.K. citizens don't own guns yet one is in a drug war and one isn't. One borders say Mexico and one doesn't. That's the B.S. the media feeds us. Reality is that the drug war is nothing more then propaganda to take away rights of the American people, IMO.

It is totally ok to say I own a gun for defense. I think that is why most Americans own guns or take martial arts, etc. but that B.S. that the country wants to sell to attack a large portion of americans who do not use drugs but all of sudden they want to do searches.....:smt012

edit: Yes, there are illegal drugs in the country but it does not justify the amount of emotional distress on law abiding citizens that is caused by the police to catch the drug dealers who are often easily replaceable.

 

EveryOne is offering useful and enlightening analysis on every aspect of gun use.....but no one is talking about what the hell must be going through millions of Americans minds as they look at photos of Vester and Miles and wonder how many others are going to be driven by the same cause........expect a new intensified wave of negrophia.....

 

This is coon logic. It doesn't matter to a white supremacist how well or poorly a black person conducts themselves. Shame on you.

 

The only way to stop mentally disturbed men from acquiring firearms are more stringent background checks.

If this nation as a whole is silent on the issue of gun access, welcome to the new normal and I hope the next innocent who gets killed by random gun violence isn't someone YOU love.

I feel for that cop and the reporter and cameraman who got killed, but in the new normal, that was their own dumb luck.

Right???

R.I.P.

 

When the shoe fits

 

Andre,
The problem is that given the widely publisized brutality of the crimes, nobody is gives a rats ass about the mental health condition, they are focused on what appears to be an increasing pattern and deliberate targeting across racial lines........these crimes stoke fear.....

 

i have to half way agree with u arch
As soon as the murder of the cop happened ,the chuef of police tried to tie it to black lives matter before they knew the motive. Even after his mental state was revealed he doubled down on what he said.

They just want to play that "blm caused this card."

 

If pointing out the truth of routine police brutality suddenly makes cops a target, maybe they should start by changing their police tactics, and not become even more aggressive towards unarmed BM and BW.

If BLM is getting blame, the cops in theory are most to blame for what happened.

BLM isn't a hate group, they're an activist civil rights organization.

Pointing out injustice isn't 'hateful'.

This is the same shit conservatives say who believe that talking about racism is the REAL racism.:butthead:

Our law enforcement institutions are seriously in need of nationwide reform.

It's highlighting the reason why so many actual gangbangers describe the cops as basically functioning like their own criminal organization, using the same tactics.


A 24 year old schizophrenic Black man in Virginia was arrested for stealing $5 worth of grocery items, held for 4 months in jail WITHOUT BAIL and was recently found dead in his jail cell.
He allegedly died from starvation after the state didn't transfer him to a mental health ward.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/28/jamycheal-mitchell-virginia-jail-found-dead


Until the average citizen accepts the idea that the care and welfare of the mentally ill is all of our responsibility, we're going to continue to have blowback.

Reagan closing down state mental hospitals nationwide in the 1980s was the most callous act by an American president in recent history.

 

They are trying to tie it to blm so to discredit them.. thats the point im trying to make.

So yes i agree with u. Thats why i said i halfway agree with arch.

 

Who wants to get into a shootout at all? The thing is I'd much rather have a gun in a shoot out than not, and there are rounds like #4 buckshot that are not as likely to over penetrate as bullets are; if they do or a family member is hit with a stray pellet it's not likely to be lethal. I know someone that was hit in the head with one after it crashed through a window and he suffered no long term injury.

One round of #4, 2 3/4 shot contains 28, 22 caliber pellets, getting hit with one is not likely to be lethal, but the goal is to hit the intruder with all the pellets.

Amen. With all of the citizens that have guns a few key defectors would even the odds considerably. There may also be defectors who work/worked for contractors that sell technology to the military. Not to mention military veterans. A few pilots that can fly jets and a few people with knowledge of electronics and chemistry can go a long way.

 

The federal government is undefeated and the reigning champions against secessionist military insurrections.

We can't even organize viable third parties politically in this country to combat the status quo in Congress, yet you believe we can organize millions of citizens to fight the resources of the federal government???

To change the system in a democratic country you need to do it politically.
Firing bullets doesn't work unless you plan to appoint a dictator.

 

We are talking about the second amendment protecting us in case the government became a dictatorship. No?

Good luck trying to change a dictatorship politically. Its called a dictatorship for a reason. Blood in and blood out.