Taxi driver fined for not picking up Black family

Whether or not everyone gets along is immaterial. Addressing common problems is the point. Not liking each other doesn't stop us all from needing clean air and water, a reordering of the economy and more.

 

Who said that I don't like the guy? I don't like or dislike the guy. I just believe he adds nothing to any conversations but negative emotions and reactions.

 

This is a MASTERPIECE...!!!!

 

I didn't mean him. I was talking about the idea of people of color having to like black people and "sing Kumbaya" for us to have something in common.

 

And again we're on the same page.

I see you were choosing to speak to a fellow rational person. Sorry about that...

 

But...since it's not an issue that they don't like us....why the hell is it an issue when we don't like them???

Hmmmm.


What do Black people have in common with mexican illegals?

We don't have sanctuary cities,catch & release programs.

We can't all use the same fake social security number as our friends every year to file tax returns without going to federal prison.

We can't buy property with fake documents without repercussions.

We don't have the media droning on and on about how hard WE word and love our families.

We can't go around breaking laws left and right without accountability.


If the tables were turned they'd be sending us home in bodybags.

 

There is nothing rational about a Black person supporting mass illegal immigration...especially when you consider the FACT that Black people suffer during periods of intense immigration.

 

I don't think not liking a person is an issue either way. This is economics and politics, not afterschool childcare.

I won't respond to your more heated rhetoric, because I detect that you like to speak in hyperbole to inflame situations. I could be wrong about your intentions, that's just my observation, and I don't think that adding to that would help us dialogue.

Are there anti-black Mexicans? Is there anti-black sentiment among many people? Of course. Does that obviate the need for common opposition to policies that harm our shared interests? Of course not. And many of these groups you think of as having such a visceral hatred of people just on the basis of our blackness (as opposed to on the basis of anti-black media messages broadcast by wealthy, white-owned media outlets) have engaged in broad political struggles in concert with black interests. Example: the Non-Aligned Movement and the broad-based Third World independence struggles (including both Africa AND Latin America) and their support of Malcolm X and the Civil Rights Movement.

And as for the contrasts you rightly note in certain areas, note that immigrants have zero control over how the media treats them, zero control over whether they are considered hardworking, etc. Whether or not immigrants are charged after breaking laws (and I disagree with your statement that they can do so with impunity) is a decision of prosecutors, not immigrants. Sanctuary cities are a product of government, not immigrant action. So it would seem that the proper target of your ire should be the ruling economic elite (mostly white) who provide for disparate treatment, not the immigrants themselves.

And lastly, remember there are many more immigrants out there than just Mexicans, who seem to be the target of your remarks.

 

Point out where I stated I support mass illegal immigration?

Quit with all that being emotional because other black folks are not on some hive mind shit like you seem to want us all to be and sharing your thought & feelings on life, the universe and everything.

 

Supporting illegals is emotional...especially when you deny it.

 

Can't show proof I support it so try to spin shit to claim I do. You have do better than that. SMH.

 

The proof is your attack on those that don't support illegal immigration.:smt042

 

What attack? Not being emotional like you?

 

First of all, I don't use ethnic slurs like "wetbacks". As a black man, I would not want anyone calling me "nigger" and I attempt to afford others the same respect. To your other points, I'm not aware of any laws punishable by imprisonment that illegal immigrants break with impunity while we are unable to. The only group I have ever seen break laws with impunity in this country is the wealthy, or more often, to shape the laws to allow whatever they choose. I never said that some cities had not enacted sanctuary programs, and other than immigration violations which are civil, not criminal, infractions, I am unaware of "catch and release" programs.

In response to those tired cheap shots about me being Puerto Rican, I am also African-American. Using my deceased grandmother's ethnicity against me as some sort of slur to imply a lack of understanding of the condition of black people in this country and globally is weak, unmanly and intellectually lazy. I have attempted to engage you on the merits of your ideas and hopefully learn from each other, but this does not appear to be your intent, so I'll go on about my business. Peace.

 

One of those policies we should have common opposition to -- but DON'T -- is illegal immigration.

Everybody, of all "colors" should be against illegal immigration, including mexicans. They (and the liberal idealists) are on the wrong side of this issue.

There are many, many reasons to want immigration to be orderly and managed. Besides the cultural angle, there's also the jobs/minimum wage/"scab" angle, the documentation angle, the "snowball effect" angle, the terrorism/disease/crime angle, the fairness to lawful immigrants who can't just walk across the border angle, etc. etc.

We need to enforce the impartial law that's on the books, and punish those who violate it -- both the illegals and people who hire them.

And finally -- NO we don't have shared interests with mexicans. Political alliances based on "race" are short-sighted, shaky and dangerous. Alliances should be based on PRINCIPLES, not ethnicity. The civil rights/anti-colonial struggles from the past century are good examples of that. Right is right, justice is justice. No color lines in that.

Today's "shared interests" -- presumably wage standards, workers rights, education, etc. (??) -- are stuff that would be good for society IN GENERAL...

If not, why fight for it?

Sanctuary for illegals is not something we should fight for. DEFEATING illegal immigration is good for society in general.

You're probably thinking that if blacks don't back mexicans on the illegal immigration issue, mexicans will more likely align with the tea party than progressive politics. And that, in itself, says something!

ps. -- Gotta also add that I don't condone the use of racial slurs... I don't hate mexicans or any other group. But fairness to all means illegal is illegal...

 

With regard to the bolded text and the section on alliances based on principles, I agree with you completely. The common interests I suggested that all people of color have (along with white workers) are based on material interests, not race or abstract principle. The items you pointed out on the jobs/wages front are chief among them. Those are precisely the sorts of interests in common that all non-elites in this country share, regardless of race. I agree that they are good for the society in general, but many of the capitalist class do not.

For the record, I am against illegal immigration and have stated in one of the many threads touching on this, that I support increased levels of legal immigration, not wholesale lawbreaking. However, I am not in favor of demonizing those who break the law, nor enacting excessively harsh or inhumane penalties against them. I hold this position to be intellectually consistent, as I also oppose the wholesale criminalization of large swathes of the black community due to non-violent offenses and other contact/interaction with law enforcement.

 

What is "harsh or inhumane" about evicting illegals and making them apply LEGALLY and respecting the laws of the country they sneak into? :smt017

 

I was referring to the imprisonment as opposed to the "catch and release" policy mentioned in earlier posts.

There are MANY civil infractions in this society which do not result in imprisonment or detention/subsequent expulsion, but instead a fine or some other administrative proceeding. Deportation can often result in even greater hardships, particularly for the US citizen-children of illegal immigrants. I think that should be taken into account. I think that an appropriate punishment for violation of immigration laws would be a stiff fine and being placed at the back of the line for regularization of status (if ever).

 

But their hardships in their country are not our problem. Hardships of Americans in America, is.

 

I was referring to the hardships suffered by their children (US citizens) here when their parents are deported.