is it good to be the submissive wife

I believe a man is supposed to put his wife and kids first but it's a lot easier when she allows it aka submissive. He just has to be self aware to know the areas were he lacks competence and to have enough sense to know when his wife is giving him good advice.

 

i agree. a submissive wife knows and appreciates a man who puts his wife and family first.

that surely needs to be peeped out during the dating game

 

But how can two people truly share power? When you disagree about how to handle something, eventually, one person's method will be agreed upon. For a woman who chooses to submit, she brings her opinion to the table for discussion (and ideally her husband seeks and values her opinion) but in the end, she submits to his decision rather than insisting on her own way of doing things. It would be the same way in a corporate setting. Your boss asks for your input on how to handle something that will affect you. Your idea conflicts with your boss' idea but in the end, it's his/her decision to make. Are you going to be insubordinate and insist on doing it your way? Or do you recognize the hierarchy and that he/she is responsible for the final decision?

 

I do not want hierarchy in my personal life and peer relationships. Hierarchy is an organizational structure for domination of one over another and I do not support it. There has been enough oppression in the world for my taste. I think power-sharing is easy. You reason and discuss. There is usually one way that makes more sense than the other, based on material considerations. If my way is less rational, I will support the way that is more so, regardless of the gender of the speaker.

 

good analogy. people need to see themselves as a business . you have to hire the rite people to be in your life to be successful just as a business do.

you cant have two ceos.

just as you say.....the woman must give good advice and have good skills to help the family/busibes to prosper eg she could be a good manager of money and he could be a good visionary.

 

I don't view my personal relationship as a business enterprise. If you do, don't be surprised if she opts for an alternative venture with greater profit potential.

 

i get what u are saying but its not about oppression. its about keeping down chaos. if you really look at it....the men have the biggest burden.

 

lol.

hell look at the divorce rate now.....the average life span of a marriage is 8 yrs.

also whats the first thing men say about a tuff situation coming up... "dude handle your business"

when u handle it like a business....then u can have loyalty. look at the most successful business...they gave low t/o rate. why? cause they treat tgeur enployees great

 

:smt023

So you're not getting married again? There is a contract involved........

 

dang u are rite. i didnt think on that. thats a good pt....a contract is a business related document.

dang

 

Definitely not. Lol. You're right that there is a contract involved, but it's about distribution of assets upon dissolution/death, not about democracy and power-sharing while living. Be careful about using market dynamics to define relationships that should be marked by something other than that.

Both sides being committed to the marriage's success is not the same as employee loyalty in a business.

 

We submit in all kinds of ways in life. Submission is not the ugly word it's made out to be. We submit to laws, we submit in our families and friendships and on the job. The Bible tells a husband to love his wife as Christ loved the church, even laying down his life for her. That is a man submitting first to God by obeying and then, putting his ego, his needs, his desires aside, if need, be in order to love his wife as she needs to be loved. It's about yielding and relinquishing your own way for the better good.

In a Christian marriage, the wife, understands that God holds her husband accountable as the head of the family. She recognizes that submission to him is not only a command from God, but it's a form of respect for the position her husband holds and the tasks he's been given by God. She brings blessing and honor to both God and her husband (and herself!) when she submits to his leadership. That's something a woman should glory in. She was created to be her husband's helpmeet and if you read my earlier post about the Proverbs 31 woman , she is a helpmeet that many people, godly or not, can admire and respect. I see no weakness or oppression in that example.

 

its similar.....may not be the same but similar.

if u treat your employees like crap they will leave just as a wife would.

would you wife up jenna jameson or s.e. cupp

 

Well two people cannot share power equally so usually the judge is the tie breaker. lol. Responsibility for making the final call does not define a relationship, it's simply a functional way to proceed through life's challenges.
But you said you are not getting married again anyway..........whatever makes you both happy.

 

one thing women always say....they want a man who is decisive. that means they want a leader

 

I didn't go to law school but my business law professor was a lawyer and he told me. "Two things are sacred in western society; land ownership and marriage." That stuck with me.

 

Yup.

 

I respect your opinion. While I am not a Christian, however, I also think even some Christians might appreciate the idea that a fundamentalist reading of the scripture's prescribed gender roles might not be the best model for living in a diverse, modern, society. But obviously everyone has their own opinion about this.

I understand your statement that it isn't meant to mean that the woman should be a slave to men, however, the text was written during a time when that was very much the condition of women, from the cultural standpoint of ultra-Orthodox Semitic culture. The idea of a marriage did not include romantic desire or love and was simply about reproduction and the transfer of property between clans. The head of the household language was necessary because women were barred from being social actors. A woman could not be the head of the household because she held no social status other than as a man's daughter or a man's wife.

Neither. I would find Cupp's politics just as offensive as Jameson's antics. Lol

My property law professor always said something similar about property as the basis of English Common Law and that marriage's importance was driven by its role in the allocation of property, not its religious approval.

I try to keep the power dynamic out of the marriage as much as possible, and hopefully reason drives decisions, not might. I'm not saying that I'm necessarily good at it, it's just what I aspire to. But first I have to have a mate before I can get married anyway, lol.

Didn't some slaves long to go back to their master? Harriet Tubman had to shoot some along the road to freedom. To each his own, I just think that everything we think about gender roles is built on the last 100,000 years of human savagery and that we can do better and I would like to try. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think something better is achievable.

 

I get all that. But God's commands are timeless. And again, the example of the Proverbs 31 woman reflects a strong, enterprising business woman who runs a household with servants and is the wife of an important man. And he and their children praise her. So she does have some social status, in her own right. Women are often spoken of in the Bible. If they and their lives were as insignificant as you suggest, why was it important enough to include them in the Bible which is read and respected by millions as God's word? Also, I disagree with the no love or romance thought. The book of Song of Solomon will put that to rest.

We will not see eye to eye on this because we don't share the same faith/beliefs. But as a Christian, I lived this principle as a wife and it works. (And my husband wasn't even a Christian.) I know other Christian women for whom it works, as well. It works because God blesses it. You may dispute it in theory but you can't dispute personal experience. Lol.

 

Do you follow all of gods commands