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Discussion in 'In the Media' started by The Dark King, Apr 8, 2015.

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Bliss Well-Known Member

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No it wouldn't which further shows some people don't get it. It's the same nonsense thinking that makes people ask questions like why isn't there WET like there's a BET. The same people who ask why isn't there White History month or an NAAWP. It's this unrealistic feeling that things aren't fair when the spotlight moves off of white people for even a fraction of second. There's no need for a WET since that's just called television, there's no need for white history month since that's just history, no need for a NAAWP since that's called the system period. So rewording it wouldn't do shit since the sentiment is it should be about white people everyday all day when people get upset about these things. God forbid anyone else is celebrated for anything without their consent.

And the reason blacklivesmatter is compared because THIS SHIT HAS TO BE SAID OUT LOUD OTHERWISE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T COME TO IT ON THEIR OWN.
It goes without saying blacklivesmatter and blackgirlsrock.... actually no it does have to be said smh
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You're not saying anything new here that we don't already know, and have said, and heard A HUNDRED times before.
Unfortunately, no matter what reasons are given, in this day and age of SM, you will encounter reactions like theirs.. You brought this topic to this forum - for what? We examine alternatives, we discuss., but clearly you're just here for your soapbox.

Bliss, Apr 9, 2015

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The Dark King Well-Known Member

Bliss said: ↑

You're not saying anything new here that we don't already know, and said, and heard A HUNDRED times before.
Unfortunately, no matter what reasons are given, in this day and age of SM, you will encounter reactions like theirs.. You brought this topic to this forum - for what? We examine alternatives, we discuss., but clearly you're just here for your soapbox.
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Bliss you just made the point (going along with Boba's bs) that if the hash tag was some how more inclusive it would have been taken a different way and that's horseshit. That's like when people say if we didn't call ourselves the n word or say it in music then other people wouldn't call us that like the shit wasn't happening for centuries before that. I challenged your position just like I did Boba's. Why is his diatribe any less grandstanding than my position.
Have your opinions that's fine but don't act as if they shouldn't be challenged.

The Dark King, Apr 9, 2015

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Bliss Well-Known Member

The Dark King said: ↑

Bliss you just made the point (going along with Boba's bs) that if the hash tag was some how more inclusive it would have been taken a different way and that's horseshit. That's like when people say if we didn't call ourselves the n word or say it in music then other people wouldn't call us that like the shit wasn't happening for centuries before that. I challenged your position just like I did Boba's. Why is his diatribe any less grandstanding than my position.
Have your opinions that's fine but don't act as if they shouldn't be challenged.
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But you don't challenge. You lecture. You bring all this other baggage that wasn't being discussed and attribute it as if it was.

I was RESPONDING to Andre's comments about using an alternative moniker...examining how not even needing to do that - perhaps just rearrranging might have shut the protesters down. Calm the heck down.
The reality in this era of SM , is people barely speak in person, it's all communicated in written words and hastags, so that allows for misinterpretion, as evidenced with "BLACK GIRLS ROCK!' Again, you brought this article here why?...To me it seems you don't want a discussion, so peace out.

Bliss, Apr 9, 2015

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The Dark King Well-Known Member

Bliss said: ↑

But you don't challenge. You lecture. You bring all this other baggage that wasn't being discussed and attribute it as if it was.

I was RESPONDING to Andre's comments about using an alternative moniker...examining how not even needing to do that - perhaps just rearrranging might have shut the protesters down. Calm the heck down.
The reality in this era of SM , is people barely speak in person, it's all communicated in written words and hastags, so that allows for misinterpretion, as evidenced with "BLACK GIRLS ROCK!' Again, you brought this article here why?...To me it seems you don't want a discussion, so peace out.
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Or you got called out on your dismissive racial shit once again. It's not the wording it's the people involved. If it were Asian girls rock trust me no one would give a fuck. Dueces.

The Dark King, Apr 9, 2015

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Bliss Well-Known Member

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Great read. Love what lyanla said. So true.
Perfect response from the creator Beverly Bond, too.
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TDK..Reading is fundamental. Go take your shit out on someone else.

Bliss, Apr 9, 2015

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The Dark King Well-Known Member

Bliss said: ↑

TDK..Reading is fundamental. Go take your shit out on someone else.
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Apparently deflection and back peddling is fundamental too lol. Again deuces

The Dark King, Apr 9, 2015

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JamalSpunky Well-Known Member
The Dark King said: ↑

Or you got called out on your dismissive racial shit once again. It's not the wording it's the people involved. If it were Asian girls rock trust me no one would give a fuck. Dueces.
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Not necessarily. There will be some white folks who object to that too. Hell, there may be even some black women who object because black girls are being excluded. It is possible. That being said I would concur an Asian Girls Rock celebration would lead to less pushback because Asians aren't the racial group flashpoint as black folks are to many white Americans. There are white people who will always reflexively respond, in a negative fashion, to anything black people do.

Then again when some feel they are being excluded they immediately resort to defensive postures. A Super Bowl commercial caused a twitter uproar because it was basically a sixty second celebration of girls in general. This led to backlash by plenty of guys who went on twitter denouncing and belittling the commercial. They asked....why can't we celebrate ALL kids, both boys and girls? This led to gals and guys both chastising men who were so insecure that they couldn't handle the rare sports commercial that championed girls.

One issue I have with this whole Black Girls Rock thing is that BET could have done a Girls Rock which was aimed at black girls without having to add the "black" adjective to it in the first place. Hell, it's BET. What other girls would they be referring to. Often I think we as black people go too far trying to separate ourselves from others, including the mainstream. At times it is understandable, at times it is even necessary. Yet at times it seems as if we are too willing to play a hand in segregating ourselves from other groups. Even worse black women, from my experience, don't just stop with being pigeon-hold into a racial subcategory; they love to take it to a whole nee level by making their events/actions/celebrations/groups a subcategory of a damn subcategory. So everything is black women this, black women that.

An example in the DC area was when there started to be a push for black folks to break the stereotype that they weren't into riding bikes (which is greatly increasing in popularity in this part of the country). So a couple of African American women came up with an idea to form a group of like-minded black riders who would debunk this notion. But instead of forming a black riders association for all and any black person to join, they formed a black women's riders association instead. Here was an opportunity to form a first ever group of black bicyclists in the Nation's Capitol, and these ladies thought that aiming for an even lower number of participation by excluding an entire sex was the better route to go. Why?

In Hollywood there are far less black male writers than black female writers on TV shows. Black women have the upper hand there unlike white women compared to white men. Yet black women in the industry form these associations for black women only, which exclude the black dudes who have less clout and less numbers in the business. You don't really see that with Asians and Latinos who are trying to get a leg up. They are typically forming support groups or starting associations that include both men and women. This is probably because they realize that as a minority it is best for their racial group if they pool all of their resources from both sexes. But black women routinely want their own group for themselves. That's their mindset.

This is why Oprah Winfrey can get the approval of ABC to do specials celebrating famous black people and she chooses to pick only females to be celebrated. I don't know. If an Arabic woman became so popular down the road that she would be given the opportunity to put on such a rare special celebrating Arab-Americans for a national audience, I doubt she would limit it to just one sex (female).

And that brings me back to Black Girls Rock. First of all it should be pointed that years earlier someone came up with a celebration called Girls Rock which was for girls of all races. In typical fashion BET stole the idea and in typical fashion black women made it all about themselves by adding the "Black" to the title. But what is lost is that Girls Rock was founded to combat the issue of self-esteem problems and perceptions that girls on average face in this nation. Problem is though is that black girls may be the only group of young ladies in the nation who tend to do so much better than their male counterparts of their race. In fact there are reports that black boys may suffer more self-esteem issues than black girls. That shouldn't be a surprise considering the black community, unlike other American communities, is a predominantly matriarchal community. Far more black women are the head of households with children, far more black females are employed, far more black females get college degrees, etc. Black boys don't have many male role models to emulate. One report mentioned that black boys are less likely to see teachers of their own race and sex than white boys, white girls and black girls. Add on incarceration rates and the highest percentage of violent deaths that black men in America have to contend with and it would seem clear that black boys would need at least as much of a pick-me-up celebration that BET and others give black girls. But they get nothing.

It all reminds me of the Lady Soultrain Awards (don't know if that was a black woman's idea). Did we really need a separate Soul Train Awards Show for females only, especially considering women have always been widely celebrated in the R&B field (unlike other genres) and thus had their contributions readily acknowledged?

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JamalSpunky, Apr 9, 2015

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The Dark King Well-Known Member

JamalSpunky said: ↑

Not necessarily. There will be some white folks who object to that too. Hell, there may be even some black women who object because black girls are being excluded. It is possible. That being said I would concur an Asian Girls Rock celebration would lead to less pushback because Asians aren't the racial group flashpoint as black folks are to many white Americans. There are white people who will always reflexively respond, in a negative fashion, to anything black people do.

Then again when some feel they are being excluded they immediately resort to defensive postures. A Super Bowl commercial caused a twitter uproar because it was basically a sixty second celebration of girls in general. This led to backlash by plenty of guys who went on twitter denouncing and belittling the commercial. They asked....why can't we celebrate ALL kids, both boys and girls? This led to gals and guys both chastising men who were so insecure that they couldn't handle the rare sports commercial that championed girls.

One issue I have with this whole Black Girls Rock thing is that BET could have done a Girls Rock which was aimed at black girls without having to add the "black" adjective to it in the first place. Hell, it's BET. What other girls would they be referring to. Often I think we as black people go too far trying to separate ourselves from others, including the mainstream. At times it is understandable, at times it is even necessary. Yet at times it seems as if we are too willing to play a hand in segregating ourselves from other groups. Even worse black women, from my experience, don't just stop with being pigeon-hold into a racial subcategory; they love to take it to a whole nee level by making their events/actions/celebrations/groups a subcategory of a damn subcategory. So everything is black women this, black women that.

An example in the DC area was when there started to be a push for black folks to break the stereotype that they weren't into riding bikes (which is greatly increasing in popularity in this part of the country). So a couple of African American women came up with an idea to form a group of like-minded black riders who would debunk this notion. But instead of forming a black riders association for all and any black person to join, they formed a black women's riders association instead. Here was an opportunity to form a first ever group of black bicyclists in the Nation's Capitol, and these ladies thought that aiming for an even lower number of participation by excluding an entire sex was the better route to go. Why?

In Hollywood there are far less black male writers than black female writers on TV shows. Black women have the upper hand there unlike white women compared to white men. Yet black women in the industry form these associations for black women only, which exclude the black dudes who have less clout and less numbers in the business. You don't really see that with Asians and Latinos who are trying to get a leg up. They are typically forming support groups or starting associations that include both men and women. This is probably because they realize that as a minority it is best for their racial group if they pool all of their resources from both sexes. But black women routinely want their own group for themselves. That's their mindset.

This is why Oprah Winfrey can get the approval of ABC to do specials celebrating famous black people and she chooses to pick only females to be celebrated. I don't know. If an Arabic woman became so popular down the road that she would be given the opportunity to put on such a rare special celebrating Arabic-Americans for a national audience, I doubt she would limit it to just one sex (female).

And that brings me back to Black Girls Rock. First of all it should be pointed that years earlier someone came up with a celebration called Girls Rock which was for girls of all races. In typical fashion BET stole the idea and in typical fashion black women made it all about themselves by adding the "Black" to the title. But what is lost is that Girls Rock was founded to combat the issue of self-esteem problems and perceptions that girls on average face in this nation. Problem is though is that black girls may be the only group of young ladies in the nation who tend to do so much better than their male counterparts of their race. In fact there are reports that black boys may suffer more self-esteem issues than black girls. That shouldn't be a surprise considering the black community, unlike other American communities, is a predominantly matriarchal community. Far more black women are the head of households with children, far more black females are employed, far more black females get college degrees, etc. Black boys don't have many male role models to emulate. One report mentioned that black boys are less likely to see teachers of their own race and sex than white boys, white girls and black girls. Add on incarceration rates and the highest percentage of violent deaths that black men in America have to contend with and it would seem clear that black boys would need at least as much of a pick-me-up celebration that BET and others give black girls. But they get nothing.
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Interesting pov.

The Dark King, Apr 9, 2015

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Mighty Quinn New Member

I have no idea what to think about black girls anymore. Why they need empowerment of this sort, or what they really want. It's a mystery. They act as if they're going extinct, like nobody finds them attractive. It's nonsense. Have some confidence for god's sake.

Back in the day the better looking black girls around my way went for jocks, hoods, or out of towners. If you weren't aggressive and/or popular they tended to ignore you. I've been with several, but these relationships didn't seem built to last.

It's amazing because they grow up and see were they not so jaded from those hypermasculine displays they could've had this or that guy instead of pining behind a hashtag.

Mighty Quinn, Apr 9, 2015

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Bliss Well-Known Member

JamalSpunky said: ↑

Not necessarily. There will be some white folks who object to that too. Hell, there may be even some black women who object because black girls are being excluded. It is possible. That being said I would concur an Asian Girls Rock celebration would lead to less pushback because Asians aren't the racial group flashpoint as black folks are to many white Americans. There are white people who will always reflexively respond, in a negative fashion, to anything black people do.

Then again when some feel they are being excluded they immediately resort to defensive postures. A Super Bowl commercial caused a twitter uproar because it was basically a sixty second celebration of girls in general. This led to backlash by plenty of guys who went on twitter denouncing and belittling the commercial. They asked....why can't we celebrate ALL kids, both boys and girls? This led to gals and guys both chastising men who were so insecure that they couldn't handle the rare sports commercial that championed girls.

One issue I have with this whole Black Girls Rock thing is that BET could have done a Girls Rock which was aimed at black girls without having to add the "black" adjective to it in the first place. Hell, it's BET. What other girls would they be referring to. Often I think we as black people go too far trying to separate ourselves from others, including the mainstream. At times it is understandable, at times it is even necessary. Yet at times it seems as if we are too willing to play a hand in segregating ourselves from other groups. Even worse black women, from my experience, don't just stop with being pigeon-hold into a racial subcategory; they love to take it to a whole nee level by making their events/actions/celebrations/groups a subcategory of a damn subcategory. So everything is black women this, black women that.

An example in the DC area was when there started to be a push for black folks to break the stereotype that they weren't into riding bikes (which is greatly increasing in popularity in this part of the country). So a couple of African American women came up with an idea to form a group of like-minded black riders who would debunk this notion. But instead of forming a black riders association for all and any black person to join, they formed a black women's riders association instead. Here was an opportunity to form a first ever group of black bicyclists in the Nation's Capitol, and these ladies thought that aiming for an even lower number of participation by excluding an entire sex was the better route to go. Why?

In Hollywood there are far less black male writers than black female writers on TV shows. Black women have the upper hand there unlike white women compared to white men. Yet black women in the industry form these associations for black women only, which exclude the black dudes who have less clout and less numbers in the business. You don't really see that with Asians and Latinos who are trying to get a leg up. They are typically forming support groups or starting associations that include both men and women. This is probably because they realize that as a minority it is best for their racial group if they pool all of their resources from both sexes. But black women routinely want their own group for themselves. That's their mindset.

This is why Oprah Winfrey can get the approval of ABC to do specials celebrating famous black people and she chooses to pick only females to be celebrated. I don't know. If an Arabic woman became so popular down the road that she would be given the opportunity to put on such a rare special celebrating Arab-Americans for a national audience, I doubt she would limit it to just one sex (female).

And that brings me back to Black Girls Rock. First of all it should be pointed that years earlier someone came up with a celebration called Girls Rock which was for girls of all races. In typical fashion BET stole the idea and in typical fashion black women made it all about themselves by adding the "Black" to the title. But what is lost is that Girls Rock was founded to combat the issue of self-esteem problems and perceptions that girls on average face in this nation. Problem is though is that black girls may be the only group of young ladies in the nation who tend to do so much better than their male counterparts of their race. In fact there are reports that black boys may suffer more self-esteem issues than black girls. That shouldn't be a surprise considering the black community, unlike other American communities, is a predominantly matriarchal community. Far more black women are the head of households with children, far more black females are employed, far more black females get college degrees, etc. Black boys don't have many male role models to emulate. One report mentioned that black boys are less likely to see teachers of their own race and sex than white boys, white girls and black girls. Add on incarceration rates and the highest percentage of violent deaths that black men in America have to contend with and it would seem clear that black boys would need at least as much of a pick-me-up celebration that BET and others give black girls. But they get nothing.

It all reminds me of the Lady Soultrain Awards (don't know if that was a black woman's idea). Did we really need a separate Soul Train Awards Show for females only, especially considering women have always been widely celebrated in the R&B field (unlike other genres) and thus had their contributions readily acknowledged?
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At the bolded..a similar thing happened in Philadelphia. But for running. It's called "Black Girls RUN!"
http://www.blackgirlsrun.com/running-groups/

Bliss, Apr 9, 2015

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The Dark King Well-Known Member

Bliss said: ↑

At the bolded..a similar thing happened in Philadelphia. But for running. It's called "Black Girls RUN!"
http://www.blackgirlsrun.com/running-groups/
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Didn't that get created to combat against thestereotype that bw don't exercise?

The Dark King, Apr 9, 2015

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Bliss Well-Known Member

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Didn't that get created to combat against thestereotype that bw don't exercise?
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You mean like the bike riding stereotype JS mentioned? IDK. The local news did a story on it. Jamal jogged my memory.

Bliss, Apr 9, 2015

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pettyofficerj New Member

The Dark King said: ↑

Bliss you just made the point (going along with Boba's bs) that if the hash tag was some how more inclusive it would have been taken a different way and that's horseshit. That's like when people say if we didn't call ourselves the n word or say it in music then other people wouldn't call us that like the shit wasn't happening for centuries before that. I challenged your position just like I did Boba's. Why is his diatribe any less grandstanding than my position.
Have your opinions that's fine but don't act as if they shouldn't be challenged.
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You mean the same people who say if blacks didn't look a certain way, they would be treated better

Which is funny because I got called nigger or teased for having black features all day growing up, and I dressed rather conservatively....

Mighty Quinn said: ↑

I have no idea what to think about black girls anymore. Why they need empowerment of this sort, or what they really want. It's a mystery. They act as if they're going extinct, like nobody finds them attractive. It's nonsense. Have some confidence for god's sake.

Back in the day the better looking black girls around my way went for jocks, hoods, or out of towners. If you weren't aggressive and/or popular they tended to ignore you. I've been with several, but these relationships didn't seem built to last.

It's amazing because they grow up and see were they not so jaded from those hypermasculine displays they could've had this or that guy instead of pining behind a hashtag.
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Girls/women/minority males have been the subject of empowerment period. It's no secret as to why, or at least it shouldn't be.......

The joy of living in a city like philly, is that you see all of those local ads promoting such seminars and whatnot

pettyofficerj, Apr 9, 2015

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Mighty Quinn New Member

It strikes me as a fad to be honest.

Yeah, there could be some positive benefits to this for lack of representation in the mainstream media.

I guess my gripe is how in your face the message seems to be, which suggests either black girls don't know they rock, or there is really so many people who believe otherwise.

Mighty Quinn, Apr 9, 2015

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pettyofficerj New Member

Mighty Quinn said: ↑

It strikes me as a fad to be honest.

Yeah, there could be some positive benefits to this for lack of representation in the mainstream media.

I guess my gripe is how in your face the message seems to be, which suggests either black girls don't know they rock, or there is really so many people who believe otherwise.
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Imagine how it feels for the uninitiated to see those 'Black Business seminar' ads (yes, they're actually called that) on public transit. Or those in your face black history month posters where you sit on the train. To the initiated, these ads and posters are good/needed, because they address the lack of black businesses and/or history.

On septa (our transit system/company), the company designs and puts up these black history posters that stare you in the face next to seats. They're pretty informative and that's how I got to know that a black guy played a hand in the building of a major structure here way (wayyyy) back.

pettyofficerj, Apr 9, 2015

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Mighty Quinn New Member

I'm pretty hopped up on caffeine at the moment:-o

Trust me, you have no idea how pissed I was to discover my great uncle was a Tuskegee Airman, but my parents failed to mention this until I was roughly 27 years old. Such knowledge could've really helped me along the way.

But I don't view this as historical in the least. Black girls ain't exactly relics of the past, or so marginalized they're in need of a collective pep talk. I feel like more minorities - women - even, could use the rule of 'gusto, or go home'.

Mighty Quinn, Apr 9, 2015

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goodlove New Member

its nothing more than fake anger to push an agenda...

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Smh at white people who got pissed off at this.
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Who cares if it excludes white girls? We're included in everything else. Black women should be able to celebrate themselves without worrying about white girls' feelings getting hurt. Would anyone care if there was an Asian Girls Rock? Latina Chicks Rock?
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goodlove, Apr 9, 2015

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pettyofficerj New Member

Mighty Quinn said: ↑

I'm pretty hopped up on caffeine at the moment:-o

Trust me, you have no idea how pissed I was to discover my great uncle was a Tuskegee Airman, but my parents failed to mention this until I was roughly 27 years old. Such knowledge could've really helped me along the way.

But I don't view this as historical in the least. Black girls ain't exactly relics of the past, or so marginalized they're in need of a collective pep talk. I feel like more minorities - women - even, could use the rule of 'gusto, or go home'.
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In a society with a certain element that likes to portray blacks as insignificant, yes....knowing that u had family in the Tuskegee air program could have given you a boost/weapons to combat stereotypes with (it takes intelligence, precision and physical ability to be an aviator for sure)

Until you found out about those experiments of course.........ouch

pettyofficerj, Apr 9, 2015

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The Dark King Well-Known Member

Mighty Quinn said: ↑

I'm pretty hopped up on caffeine at the moment:-o

Trust me, you have no idea how pissed I was to discover my great uncle was a Tuskegee Airman, but my parents failed to mention this until I was roughly 27 years old. Such knowledge could've really helped me along the way.

But I don't view this as historical in the least. Black girls ain't exactly relics of the past, or so marginalized they're in need of a collective pep talk. I feel like more minorities - women - even, could use the rule of 'gusto, or go home'.
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Really? Which minority women?

The Dark King, Apr 9, 2015

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4north1side2 Well-Known Member

I don't want to be mean or nothing, but like can you guys make your struggle and severity less noticeable and passionate? Can you like be black and proud, quietly? It makes me look vapid, and soulless, and without any real sense of perseverance and accomplishment.

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gnorance Level: 10+ FLOTUS Obama exposes racist ideology discriminating against all non-Black women#BlackGirlsRock http://t.co/2i2sB5ZZKQ
— Stronger America (@StrongerAmerca) March 30, 2015

#BlackGirlsRock! Well so do #whitegirls #latinagirls and all other girls! Once again we have taken a #good thing...http://t.co/1mm3icR9sU
— Delinda Roberts (@Preciouslindy) March 29, 2015

@MichelleObama soooo just #BlackGirlsRock ? That doesn't send out a very good message to girls of other races. Be a LEADER not a DIVIDER
— Brittany Andrews (@nxd4b) March 29, 2015

Michelle Obama declares 'Black Girls Rock!' No! All people rock, Only a racist would define race in such a statement.
— Bill Periman (@BillPeriman) March 30, 2015

Michelle Obama declares 'Black Girls Rock!' Um Mrs.Obama, no GIRLS of ALL colors Rock!!! #StopRacism
— SWorthey (@s_worthey) March 30, 2015

White girls rock! Why is it ok to celebrate all color but if whites do it we're racist? I seriously don't get it.http://t.co/8yBrMffv6s
— Dawn Allison (@Anfoooey) March 30, 2015

Really @MichelleObama? Let's keep dividing the races!#BlackGirlsRock #whitegirlsrock #asiangirlsrock#MixedGirlsrock #AllGirlsRock
— GingerSnap (@SnapKy1980) March 30, 2015

4north1side2, Apr 9, 2015

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