Is Talking A Woman Into Sex Wrong?

So the solution that would best fit eveyone's needs is women should be the aggressors. Make all the advances so there is never a need to say no. It'll never happen but it would be a good solution

 

I guess it comes down to differences in philosophies.

1) Not all girls say no.

2) A girl who says no, can change that.

3) Maybe she wants to take it slow. Let's say I want to also... and we do... and its still hot and cold... When I say hot and cold... I mean I hear "no" over and over again during the heat of the moments over time. Then it's clear this isn't about the moment. It's just not going to work.

walk away...

 

This thread has 17 PAGES of bullshit. No means no reguardless of how you look at it. This shit isn't rocket science.

 

But does it though? That's why intellectual debate is important.
Kind of like people saying under no circumstances is it ever ok to say the n word. Is that true?

 

no: —used to give a negative answer or reply to a question, request, or offer
: in a way that shows a negative response
—used to introduce a statement that corrects an earlier statement


What's so hard to understand?

 

That context matters, body language matters, human interaction isn't always cut and dry. Other posters listed some interesting scenarios. Like being at home with your woman where no can be a teasing thing not a don't touch me at all thing. I only bring it up because these rigid standards don't apply to every situation or should we as men just sit back and let women do it all so there is absolutely no room for confusion.

 

The wife/girlfriend scenarios are of a "common sense" factor. In that way you should know your partner. "Partner" not being a random date/piece of ass.

 

Yeah but the original post doesn't specify which is interesting because people comment based on what they think not what it says. A lot of people post as if he's talking about a first date and some dude is pushing for sex when its a clear no and others take it from the more familiar relationship approach.

 

tdk ....no means no. period.

women can bullsh@@@@ing and it would be best to get to stepping.

exactly.

she is not obligated to give u some.

if u cant get it from her then get it from someone else.

 

Interesting because you're entire approach to macking is persuasion. It requires a man to turn a no into a yes. Maybe not sexually but at some point you adjust your approach to get a woman to say yes. At what point does it stop being persistence?

 

theres persistance then theres stalking.

also there are women who love to have guys constantly call them to give them that "i still got it" to get a boost and has no plans to mess with u.

also part of dating/macking is knowing she is not interested.

u will not get every woman. any man will tell u that. its been said over and over.

being able to have good convo is the best way to get with a woman and most important not wasting time on a woman who is NOT interested.

part of macking is also recognizing a woman is trying to use you.

 

But there's the issue because some posters would have us believe there is absolutely no distiction. And you're right a lot of women do use men for attention but the tricky thing is how to tell someone is playing games or playing hard to get or straight up not interested. I see how it can get confusing and things can be misinterpreted.

 

It is a clear no. The first word of the unknown person is "unwanted".

un·want·ed
??n?wän(t)?d/
adjective
not or no longer desired.
"affairs can lead to unwanted pregnancies"
synonyms: unwelcome, undesirable, undesired, unpopular; More
antonyms: welcome, invited, loved

 

if shes playing games or what ever....dont give her the time of day in that manner. put ger in the friend zone.

ask her about her friend. whatever u do dont pursue any longer....waste of time.

if she is really into she will pursue then...if not then u have a wing man or just kick her to the curb.

 

I've had conflicting experiences I guess. My last girlfriend went on a date with me after talking on Myspace (totally dating myself lol). We went out and was having a good time until she told me she wasn't feeling me straight up. Fast forward a few years later I approach her again after making mutual friends and she rejects me again. A couple years after that we run into each other again and I try again this time I am so bold to grab her by the waist after going for a walk and then kissed her. It started a great 6 month love affair I'll never forget. In between the nos there was flirting and playing around but she at times did flat out say no but in staying persistent (as I've been taught for years by other women) I got the girl I wanted.
So unwanted can turn to wanted if done with respect and patience no?

 

How can you equate pursuing a girl over several years to DATE to thinking it's okay to persuade a no to a yes in a sexual situation?

This is not a valid statement/argument for this thread. The two are completely different.

 

Hey, don't touch me there

 

I wasn't going to address this, but I think I will anyway.

Rape is about control. You're controlling another person. You don't have to be physically more powerful, you just have to be mentally more manipulative.

If it came down to brute force as being the only way a rape could happen, then I suppose women can't rape men or men can't rape other men?

To even suggest that you couldn't possibly rape someone because no one ever finds you physically threatening means that you just don't understand what rape is about and even if you're in the middle of having sex with a woman, if she says no, then you need to stop.

Stop trying to persuade a woman who says no to have sex with you.

This is not something you should be bragging about...

 

By that standard I've been raped many of times in my life by women

 

Your situation and the poster's situation are by far not the same. You didn't get her until "she" was ready. Your years of persistence failed until "she" agreed. Her no meant no.

The debates in this thread are classic examples of people reading words they want to read and comprehending what they want to comprehend.