People change their game to profit all the time Let's be real This is why those sexual consent apps you can download to your phone are the bomb Ain't got time for the bullshit
Bliss & Since...I wish I could rep y'all, but I gotta spread it around. Thank you for your excellent posts. :smt023
I work with women every day who've found themselves with stds and/or unwanted pregnancies. Believe me when I tell you teenage girls are right up there with grown women. The advantage grown women have is knowledge. Many of them are much more aware of the dangers/consequences of unprotected sex and they move forward accordingly. Teenage girls often times aren't even that bright lol. Your second point, seems awfully dramatic. Personally, I doubt they were patrolling for 16 year old dick lol. It was a mistake on their part because they're teachers, I agree with that. But they're far from predators imo, and that young man wouldn't have been considered a "victim" if he were a mere 6 months older. He knew what he was doing and seemed to have no complaints. Big difference between actual child abuse and what happened here.
So his delayed Marine Corp dreams..nothing to you? Again, you're applying adult thinking to a teenager. Here's an excerpt of the lawsuit... Like Since noted earlier, these 'teachers' are predatory in nature and seek out the emotionally weaker students.
I, goodlove, has officially bowed put of this thread. Its getting creepy. Ooops too late Good day all. Im out
First off if you think teachers are still in a position of authority do yourself a favor and actually talk to a teacher. This is no longer like how we grew up, kids have far more power than teachers because they know they have power over their employment. Accusations are just as good as actual wrong doing these days so the idea that they some how manipulated him into is a leap especially since he actually bragged about which is why we know now. Your placing all these hypotheticals on the situation as if you had intimate conversations about what went on. And the biggest hypocrisy of this shit is if he had done a crime there would be arguments about how impressionable he was it would all come down to his decisions and his actions. So explain the logic that at 16 if he had raped them he'd be tried as an adult responsible for his own actions void of any mitigating circumstances but when he consents he is a child and doesn't know better? At this point I'm not even trying to be a dick I literally can't follow the logic here.
No one is saying they didn't violate the ethics of their jobs and position and for that they should be fired and never allowed to teach again. All the what ifs you're throwing out there suggests that if he were having sex with girls his own age he'd some how be safe from this shit. And Raider is right you're being a little dramatic fam. Until we here there were more boys saying they were patrolling the halls is a tad over the top. They acted unprofessionally and should be held accountable but saying it was criminal means that at 16 we no longer believe in agency and if that's the case no one should ever be tried as an adult until they're 18.
Firstly, your first paragraph is such hogwash @ students having more authority than teachers, I can't even. To your second part... the reason a prosecutor might charge a child as an adult is because of special and egregious circumstances. HOWEVER IN 95% OF CASES AROUND THIS COUNTRY, they are tried as juveniles. It's why we have State Juvenile Courts. So right there that should tell you something -- which is when a child offends, he is tried as a child. Go figure. Now why not afford the same deference to the law that you just did in your reply, and acknowledge that these 2 teachers committed an adult crime under the law, (regardless if he apparently 'bragged about it'), and acknowledge that he is a victim under the law and not some stud hooking up with a couple of easy bitches. And you want to cite hypocrisy?, try these "you're too pretty to go to jail" probation sentences that are notoriously handed down, yet male teachers get 10 years for similar 'relationship' crimes and are labeled rapists...Shit you'd be the first and have been the first to cry hypocrisy. I too at this point am not trying to be a dick, but I literally can't follow why you let these sexual predators skate.
Since is absolutely correct, did you not see the case I posted of the predatory teacher that cruised the halls for no less than 4 male students? You say the teachers acted unprofessionally but you don't think criminally? Dude, if you were a teacher and messed with a 16 yr old girl student...you seriously think you'd not be committing a crime? It's a crime no matter your gender. Period.
Predator implies prey and until the information supports that he felt like he had to have sex with them I'm going to take the fact that he bragged about it as indication that he wasn't forced to do it. And I'm sorry calling something a crime doesn't always make it a crime. Smoking weed is a crime but smoking cigarettes isn't, which of the two cause far more harm? And I do agree that bs about someone being to pretty to go to jail is in fact just that bs. Here's the thing I am a male and was once 16. I know that all 16 year olds are not the same but at that age the average 16 year old boy would push his best friend into traffic for the chance to have sex. It's literally how we are wired and I can easily see the scenario where he's alone with them and him wanting to and pursuing sex with them. I wasn't there but I doubt there was any coercion or proposition, it was a horny kid who engaged in consensual sex. And like it has been said before if it were six months later it wouldn't be a crime so that's where the line gets weird and really fuzzy. It's not like manslaughter where age has no bearing on the crime just intent. Also being black colors my view point on the difference between being seen as a child vs an adult. In nearly every facet of our lives when we are accused let alone guilty of wrong doing we are treated as adults. Everything from that boy who killed his sister by mistake doing a wrestling move at the age of eight to Treyvon Martin. We are never ever allowed to be innocent, so when I actually see a young man engaging in consensual sex I'm only doing what we have been trained to do and seeing it as if he engaged in an adult act.
Well right there you are denying the stark difference between men and women especially at that age. The major difference is with an adult male there is a real threat of rape so I can see how even a girl says its consensual it never really can be because authority coupled with physical intimidation invalidates consent. The difference with a boy is at any time if he feels like it he has the physical power to stop it and leave if he chooses. Also I never said a woman can't be a predator don't twist my words, I just said in this particular case it doesn't look that way.
Well they were friends, these two teaches. Who both taught him in separate classes. One was actually married with kids. You still think he somehow managed to convince two teachers into having orgies with him while taping it ....all because he was horny? Just because a kid thinks of sex doesn't mean he acts on it. At 16, he probably barely knew wtf to do other than try to find their holes...But you can bet they didn't just lie there - they definitely used and abused this kid for their own deviant sexual fantasies. Physical power is subdued when someone has psychological power over you, so you can't say he could just walk away. I don't think you fully understand the influence a teacher can have over a student, and like I pointed out earlier, he likely will begin to confess his truer feelings of their encounters. Because make no mistake, this kid was turned out, he didn't turn them out.
Like I said before take the time to talk to anyone who teaches and see how much influence teachers have on kids these days. It's not like when we grew up and respected teachers. These kids literally do what they want and are backed up by their parents instead of being punished while the school board cowers in fear of a law suit. Also keep in mind kids aren't naive the way kids of yesteryear were, you can't simply threaten most modern kids with a bad grade or detention and get them to comply if they don't want to. And it being video taped means little in this self obsessed culture of filming everything and taking selfies everywhere, long gone are the days where that shit is creepy since everyone has a camera on their phone. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out it was idea and I don't think orgies were his idea but to most horny males that shit is a fantasy come true. I really think you are viewing this from a female pov and not appreciating how at that age its not far fetched to believe he was compliant through all of it. And like I said before what they did was fucked up and they should be fired and never allowed near a school again but making it criminal implies there's a victim and until new information comes out I can't reconcile how he's a victim especially since if done six months later we wouldn't be having this conversation. I would love to see the data supports that from 16.5 years to 17 years people develop some incredible higher functioning decision making capabilities.
I think the age of consent should be 16 when its an older woman and a guy and 18 when it is an older guy and a woman. Either way a teacher/ student relationship should never be allowed. With that said I don't have a problem with those women being charged as sexual offenders because they must have some loose screws if they are willing to break the law over a sexual experience.
Connecticut is 15 I heard. Hawaii is 14 I think. I once waited until an Italian-Puerto Rican female employee (MTV Christiana/Brittany wannabe) turned 17.5 back when I was 23 . . . she was 17 when she was hired . . . but I eventually chickened out and got out of bed to sleep on the couch :smt018
So far you have said you think there was no coercion or propositioning on their part, and that he likely initiated the taping. Well according to the police report, they approached him after a football game and coerced him to an apartment, where they proceeded to get drunk before having group sex. Like I said, these grown women were targeting this kid, not the other way around. To your last assertion that if they had done this six months later we wouldn't be having this conversation... is in fact incorrect. LA says that "between student ages of 17 and 21, Louisiana law forbids sexual encounters between educators and students." So they would be on the hook for four more years of sexual criminal liability.
So if I'm a dummy who's been left back god knows how many times, I can bang all the HS teachers I want as long as I'm over 21 Sounds legit