Iraq conflict: All options open to fight insurgents - Obama

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27823955

 

The fuc?



ISIS fanatics post sick World Cup tweet after beheading Iraqi policeman in his own bedroom - as they boast of slaughtering 1,700 soldiers.




So basically this has been in the making for a long time now. They are just getting started. Round 2.........................




The barbarians certainly looked well equipped this time around




If I didn't know better, these vermins could pass for US/NATO soldiers.

My what studying good students they were...imitate and overtake.

 

In our face, too

 

The aim of ISIS is to terrorize Sunnis in Iraq's army and police forces and deepen their already low morale.

That fear is one factor behind the stunning collapse of Iraqi security forces.

Despite vastly outnumbering the jihadists, government troops have melted away in the face of the insurgents, allowing them to capture two helicopters, 15 tanks, weapons and several armoured cars that used belonging to the American military. They also seized £350million-worth of dinars by robbing a bank in Mosul.

According to bitter Iraqi footsoldiers, their commanders slipped away in the night rather than mount a defence of the city.
In most cases, police and soldiers simply ran, sometimes shedding their uniforms and abandoned arsenals of heavy weapons.







Iraqi men clean an array of lethal weapons as they prepare to defend the Sadr City district in case of an attack by Sunni extremists in Iraq's capital city of Baghdad

Witnesses saw ISIS fly two helicopters over the parade, apparently the first time the militant group has obtained aircraft in years of waging insurgency on both sides of the Iraqi-Syrian frontier.

It was unclear who the pilots were, but Sunnis who served in the forces of Saddam Hussein have rallied to the insurgency.

Despite vastly outnumbering the jihadists, government troops have melted away in the face of the insurgents, allowing them to capture two helicopters, 15 tanks, weapons and several armoured cars that used to belong to the American military.

U.S. officials said a $1billion package of military assistance and the sale of 36 F-16s to Iraq was being accelerated, but was unlikely to help in the short term.

This came as top U.S. weapons maker Lockheed Martin said about 25 employees working with the Iraqi air force as it prepared for the arrival of the jets were being evacuated from the Balad area in northern Iraq as a result of the violence.

 

Nothing surprises me anymore in that part of the world any longer Bliss. These dudes look for shock value, cut off a head here, par for the course.

If you can't stand up in your own country and defend it, then you are a coward of the lowest form as these one's that melted away while outnumbering the attackers. Some army that is.

There is a reason why places like this are run by strong men.

They tried that democracy shit in Egypt and that didn't last long. Now a military general Al-Sisi is in charge, just as Mubarak was a general as well.

These things don't happen by coincidence, these places need strongmen in charge frankly.

 

Bush 41 had it right. He knew if we deposed Saddam, we'd destabilize the whole country and that 'ish would come back to bite us in the ass. Sure enough, that's what has happened.

We had no business going over there and messing around with that country. As bad as they had it, they had it better before we "liberated" them. I think it was Colin Powell who said, "You break it, you bought it."

 

What have we done? :smt009

 

Fucked up

 

Understatement of the year.

 

I'm the last person to say this, but I kinda think we need to send about 100K troops over there to squash this insanity.

If ISIS takes over Baghdad we may have no other alternative except to re-invade.

WTF.:smt119

 

Obama rules OUT sending troops back into combat in Iraq but promises to review military options – including air strikes

Barack Obama said Friday that his national security team will soon provide him with a list of 'selective actions by our military' to help push back a terrorist horde marching through Iraq, but insisted that 'we will not be sending U.S. troops back into combat' there.

On Friday morning Obama defended the amount the U.S. has spent training and equipping Iraqi forces, and expressed his disappointment that it did not always translate to firm action in the face of terrorist Islamists.

'The fact that they are not willing to stand and fight and defend their posts against admittedly hardened terrorists, but not terrorists who are overwhelming in numbers, indicates that there is a problem with morale, a problem in terms of commitment, and ultimately that is rooted in the political problems that have plagued the country for a very long time,' Obama said.

He added that further military intervention would be contingent on Iraqi diplomacy, calling for a 'serious and sincere effort by Iraq's leaders to set aside sectarian differences.'

'We can't do it for them,' Obama said. 'And in the absence of this type of political effort, short-term military action, including any assistance we might provide, won't succeed.'

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Heck no, Iraq declined to sign a security agreement with America and thus all troops were removed from their soil, with Iraq's security up to Iraq. Its not for the U.S to save Maliki, the Iraq Shia president who has favored them over Sunnis in government policies. The man seems highly incompetent and engaged in cronyism.

Do folks realize the US has been out of Iraq longer than they were there with troops. Kind of puts things into perspective.

What kind of army that outnumbers a band of terrorists, puts down their weapons, ditches their uniforms and not stand up to defend their city where their families live.

These ISIS clowns wouldn't dare try this with he Kurds in Northern Iraq, because the Kurds have a disciplined fighting force, the Peshmerga who would never engage in the cowardice the Iraqi army did.

Even in Ukraine, the Ukrainian army is standing up to the more than likely Russian backed separatists. Up to today 49 Ukrainian troops were killed when a transport plane landing was hit by the separatists while landing and crashed. Don't think the Ukrainians will run and hide, like the so called Iraqi Army.

Iraq is tribal and sectarian, there is no national honor. The resistance Sunni ISIS will encounter will be from Shias in Shia areas.

Another note is ISIS has been in Eastern Syria, but hasn't been getting anywhere against Assad in Syria, so they turned to easier pickings in Sunni Western Iraq, where they have no resistance, because Shias don't live in high numbers there, its mostly a Sunni Muslim population.

 

Gas up a few drones and place them high in Iraqi airspace. Scorched earth for any motherfucker who tries to get all jidahi with it. No further boots on the ground.

 

Thoughtful commentaries, GQ. Hoping your analysis on the Shias bears out.

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ISIS Becomes Richest Terror Group in the World

After stealing $450 million from Mosul’s central bank,
al Qaeda offshoot ISIS now has the money to buy allies...

Story: http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nightl...ichest-terror-group-in-the-world-280624707806

 

Oh the Shia's are going to fight against the Sunnis given Shias are the majority in Iraq. Its just ISIS hasn't touched any majority Shia areas as yet. Much of what they have grabbed is from fellow Sunni Muslims who abandoned everything to the ISIS marauders.

There is no loyalty in Iraq in a national sense, its what sect you are, whose tribe you are from, if you are Kurd, Sunni, Shia.

Notice how ISIS has avoided taking on the Kurds, they know better and who to pick on. Heck ordinary Sunni civilians are fleeing into The Kurdish controlled areas of Iraq. The Kurds won't run like cowards and would fight to the death against them.

There's between 80,000 and 240,000 Kurdish peshmerga (militias) who don't answer to Baghdad are well equipped and trained, and represent a serious military threat to ISIS should they dare to challenge them.

I feel it is inevitable Iraq will descend into Civil War between Sunni and Shias, especially if this Isis group tries to take on Shia areas. For now they are in Sunni areas, but if they try to keep on moving it will get ugly.

No doubt Iran will throw its hat in the ring with the Shias when shit hits the fan and the Iranians are far more well trained than anything ISIS has. Its just that ISIS has done what they have done because none of their fellow Sunnis have stood up to them, instead choosing to flee the fight. That is not an option for the Kurds or Shias should ISIS engage them.

What ISIS has done is play off of the incompetence of the Maliki government alienation of Sunni Muslims and taken over Sunni areas of Iraq. They don't control any Kurdish or Shia majority areas, all of it is Sunni majority. The dark green areas on the map below is what ISIS controls and its all Sunni populations.

Mosul city is inside the dotted lines of territory under defacto Kurdish control. Kurdish security forces control eastern parts of the city. More broadly, Iraqi Kurdistan borders ISIS territory at a number of different points.

The white part on the map has a very low population density.

 

This! Until they either accept democracy or formulate another form of government functional enough to refrain from killing non combatants we should keep pounding the terrorists from the air. The message should be clear. The sky should flash until the day is indistinguishable from the night due to missiles and bombs until every ISIS motherfucker is dead or out of the country.

 

Inevitably it will follow that the media will start saying America is killing innocent people, look at the bombings they did in Pakistan against the Taliban there. Its funny because now that Obama is pursuing a hands off policy to that region of nutters and not butting into everyone's affairs, everyone is now like where is the U.S, why aren't they doing this and that. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The Iraqi government chose not to sign a Status of Forces agreement with the U.S, now they are begging for U.S. military hardware and support. Go figure.

Notice they aren't screaming for Russia, China's help, its the evil USA they want support from.

 

Truth

 

Don't be surprised if we find out Saudi Arabia has a hand in supporting ISIS. The Saudis have never cared too much for Shia Muslims, who now have power in Iraq of course. Very easy for them to support ISIS who are right on their border as the map above shows. The Saudis did the same with supporting the fighters against Assad in Syria. The Saudis, with their Wahhabism are willing to support any radical pro-Sunni agenda, especially given Syria and Iraq are not Sunni led countries right on their border.

 

Wouldn't surprise me at all. The Saudis see Iran as a threat to their interests, they have never been comfortable with the possibility of Iraq becoming closer to Iran now that the shia have power. Our relations with all our middle eastern "allies" seem to largely be held together through a marriage of convince. We are in need of better economic policies toward the middle east and south america as well. Its clear that our goals are often obstructed by our spending practices. That includes us collectively as a nation as well as individual consumers.