Tyler Perry should be credited with the resurgence of Black cinema in this era

Most movies of his genre, are relationship based, no? He didn't 'trash the BM image'... Men - period, have been relationship cads for eons, lol. Why would he sugar-coat it, or be expected to?

Keep in mind, men rarely patronize relationship-based movies, women do, so there has to be a male - female 'angst' plot to make it interesting. It so happens that TP uses black actors in his movies because, well, he uses black actors.

 

The point is it is not correct and serves no purpose in helping any woman at the end.

Men rarely patronize relationship-based movies because there are barely any to watch. How often do you hear about relationship based movies coming out for men? The movie makers won't make one because they feel it won't make money. I'm sure the TV show makers said that about frasier which went through 11 seasons.

 

this is the stuff I'm curious about..when people make these claims they tend to be generalized and when asked for examples they can't or refuse to provide any..I've see a number of perrys shows and movies and there seems to a balance for every bad person theres a good person.. for men in particular for every thug or dealer theres a professional or legit entrepreneurial man. So where do you see a consistent image of dogging black men?

 

Any chance this thread will die by Christmas :smt114

It is turning into snoozefest of redundancy

 

U know how much certain people love to chase their own tails

 

you can always just ignore the thread...that IS an option. Funny how people make an effort to show how much they don't care about something:smt083

wow..a thread from 3 years ago?? really and how many topics get repeated on average on a message board? how about ALL OF THEM?:|

no one is forced to participate.

 

an example: diary of a mad black woman. The husband is having multiple affairs???? image of a black man damaged there.


another stereotype is that he plays the color game.
Can you take a guess on how dark his(husband) skin color is ?
How light in skin color is the good guy image?


I would like to see good images all around. Some of us grew up in the era of family matters. Yes, there was a few bad images but the color game was barely ever played. Most of the men never had such dramatic flaws. Dad was a cop. The son wasn't the greatest at grades but was trying. Steve was well Steve. You look at the fresh prince of bel air. There is no dramatic male issues. Yea, Will came from a bad environment but he worked on it. Carlton was well Carlton. Uncle Phil did his parenting thing.

We are in perry's era of bumbling idiots for a patriarchy.

 

plenty of women chasing your tail...I just am smart enough to know you aren't catchable so lippy gave up a long time ago

 

Eh I've been caught once or twice

 

only when you wanted to be...you slowed up just enough to let it happen

 

Martin is perceived as straight. Perry is perceived as a closeted homosexual. Therefore Martin get's a pass.

I also think there is a huge streak of male bashing and a general distain for what makes a man a man in American culture overall. That has to play into a lot of the criticism of Perry's work. Though, i don't think what he does falls into that category, too many black males, it does.

 

first, thanx for providing specifics..
This is hypersensitivity..it goes under the heading of Stuff Black People Love to see when someone else does it but if its Black People doing it most likely we'd Hate it.

This was the same complaint with the Color Purple...every story needs an antagonist and in a story about marriage or relationships the antagonist (villain) is going to be an abuser or cheater or something like that. You can't get around that.

I'm looking at these shows and I see ONE or TWO character thats extreme and the rest are just regular workaday black folk and I'm thinking well this is predictable and marginally funny but wheres the horrible coonery/buffoonery people are crying about?

House of Payne is about a family where the patriarch is a fire chief, his sons firemen, the women work in administrative jobs. Meet the Browns the main family are doctors and teachers with the exception of brown himself who is a janitor. Yes brown is a clown but then he's SUPPOSED to be. Other than him no other character is that extreme. And going back to Martin there were just as many if not more since martin himself played many different extreme characters. When laid out next to each other point for point, character for character theres no reason why one should be called a "classic" and the other "harmful" to the black community.

Thats my point is that we've seen all this before in sitcoms and films wayans and eddie murphy's stuff and perry just copied (not very well) all of it and met the same level of success as those before him so it baffles me that his work should be singled out in such a manner.

 

What gender was the antagonist in both of these stories?
I'm not complaining that there doesn't have to be an antagonist but the antagonist has to be consistently one gender. particularly in the black community where you have the media has already done a good job of giving a bad portrayal of men or black men in particular.

I didn't use martin as a family show because it doesn't exactly present itself as that. I think meet the browns and the paynes do. That's why I compared them to family matters and the rest. The selections of martin, eddie and wayans is a selection of comedians. I don't think that is what perry is going for in those two shows.

 

Nonsense. At least martin was funny. That's a big headstart on Perry's stuff. Perry's characters and humor look cardboard and two-dimensional, at least judging from the promos

Martin was funny, the characters were at least familiar to his intended audience, the culture was familiar, and there was sly "commentary" in there too. For example, "Bruhman" who martin's character tolerated even though the dude came in through the window and helped himself to martin's stuff etc., made everyone laugh at how we feel about the real life "bruhmans" among us.

Martin had good characters, genuine black humor that came out of black culture. Perry's humor just seems shallow in all kinds of ways -- the humor, the message etc.

If the clip below is "tyler perry" funny, it's no wonder he doesn't have such a diverse following. You and I could prolly write stuff like that. But again, I'm not knocking the guy. He's doing his thing. Not everyone is going to like his stuff, especially not most black men

About the resurgence of black film angle -- maybe I missed something, but I'm not seeing a resurgence.

It's a shame in fact. There are a lot of serious issues to cover, a huge underserved audience (especially black men), and the bars to making and marketing our own films are lower than they've ever been thanks to the internet and digital technology.

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Good post :smt023

 

Good insights. The gay angle is new on me though. Maybe I just haven't seen tyler perry speak much

Btw, I don't think you can blame the audience for not seeing better films. It's up to the filmmaker to reach the audience and make stuff they want to see.

Somehow, I just can't wrap my mind around the concept of expecting black people to consciously "support" black film. It should happen organically (somehow) and it's up to the filmmakers to make it happen

 

He's hanging out with Oprah Winfrey and his show The Haves And The Have Nots is on the OWN. I think it might be going into Scandal territory with a possible interracial romance.

 

That would be interesting, given his audience. Will it be bw with wm or bm with ww? ..or some other combo?

He stands to piss off a huge portion of his audience if it's bm with ww...